I used to operate the Premier 1 in there regularly!

It does the job perfectly so long as all the systems are working and you are not trying to depart heavy.

Level 400

+1 for the Sovereign.

Its probably one of the narrowest cabins in the class but its runway performance just never gets old. Also the LaMole/Azores/NYC is doable privately. The aircraft is geared up for 180mins OEI and 1000 miles see here, theres not many twins in the mid size that feature this approval. Modern system design/ baggage fire protection/Long range O2 all help

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Early 2004-2005 680 probably 7-10 US$

Christophe, I am not the ultimate Gulfstream expert, but I (and many others in the business) know that their performance is quite impressive. And no, I was not talking about London City.

The title of this thread was and pascualito wrote in his 1st statement that the budget was not the limiting factor.

If this is still true, I am still convinced that the DA50 (EX) is the optimum choice, then probably a Gulfstream, particularly when considering that pascualito was talking about 4 pax. The G4 should do fine as well and it's available for a reasonable price these days...

If budget and also weather reliability is an issue (let's face it all operations are marginal at la Mole) then a chopper to Nice or Toulon is your best bet.. :(

Thanks for the replies - the requirement is for London to La Mole as one mission and London to NYC as a separate mission. There is no requirement to fly from La Mole to anywhere other than London.
An early Sovereign could be an option - any other aircraft suitable.

Tallinnman

Go for the Citation 5 it has the power to get off quickly and the best slow flying wing of the citation range.

Pace

I disagree respectfully - Seen Vref of 92 knots on a 680 touching down at a little over 80, you've got 4 carbon brake packs from the Citation 750 and the Max land weight on the 680 is from memory 4000lbs less than the 750

Flown both - flown accurately and light the Sovereign can get stopped in a little over 350m and be wheels up (not 35ft) in a little over 450m.

I'm not a fanboy of the 680 lord knows it has its problems but to go a long way from short runways with modern avionics and a stand up cabin theres not much that can keep up - sure a 900 or F50 would be good but ones 20million US and the youngest F50 is probably knocking on 15 years old now - some owners just dont want to fly around in old equipment

Not sure what the budget is as F50's are going for sub $5m for an old one to over $12m for a later aircraft, but how about the CL300, Hawker 900XP or - if you are prepared to wait for them coming on to the second hand market - Hawker 4000? All of them will should do New York with one stop. La Mole is marginal at the best of times - if you can afford a $5m jet then the €750 transfer to your own pad in St Tropez is small fry!

Can any of you recommend an instructor who can sign off La Mole who will do it in a C525? Cannes Aero seem unwilling to do the check unless its in their DA 42 and I'm not sure how relevant it is. I'd rather do it in the 525 and work out the performance issues for us rather than just see how it works in a twin star. Anyway, my piston twin is expired. So how would that work anyway....

ggrrr....

done now..

for interest, there were a couple of mustangs, 4 CJ's, an Avanti (which was a bit of a surprise) and a 500. I can't see how a much bigger span that that would be easily accomodated. Standing there and looking at it I would think an XLS would cope very well and its nice and docile to dodge the hills with. I can't imagine that runway performance would be an issue for it either. You need good visibility out of the cockpit to see the girls in the pool at the house you fly over..

Spotters alert, sorry :\

Crappy video but you will see a larger wing span taking off... :eek:

see,

absolute proof that I know f all

Tom