there is/was several hundred orders on the books. The company simply ran out of money to buy the parts and put them together.

Too bad, nothing compares it it's class.

Well that's not really true.

When you get an order, you get a deposit, and when you start the build, you can get progressive payments, at least that's how it should be for a start up.

Sounds to me like they just didn't have their 'you know what together'. It's too bad, the aircraft on paper, is probably the best out there, but they can't seem to build it.

Which if you know about business, makes absolutely no sense. Maybe it was the economy, maybe it's bad management.

It it was me, I would just get some investors, call up the buyers, and simply put one together, one at a time, no reason why they can't do that. No reason. The tooling, expertise, machines, etc is all there.

I'd be curious what hoops the pilots are jumping through to keep the existing planes airworthy.

I don't think so GULF69. There's been no SJ30 seen in Swazi or CT, or anywhere down there, to the best of my knowledge.

I don't think so GULF69. There's been no SJ30 seen in Swazi or CT, or anywhere down there, to the best of my knowledge.

Yes there is one. Ex demo a/c :ok:

Thank you Dc932 Am all ears and eyes - anyone know where it's hiding?

SJ-30 update; AOPA Online: New Emivest owner moving assets to Utah

Coltish Aircraft Pty recently sold their Mustang ZS-CTF (now N510J) I believe was based at Rand??

South African based SJ-30 is N7SJ which is the one that was owned by Hamish Harding owner of Action Aviation - which was to be Emivest's largest distributor of SJ-30's - they ordered 159 SJ-30's which they planned to re-market worldwide.

N7SJ - Private - - Planespotters.net Just Aviation

ASFAIK there are only 4-5 working SJ30s, maybe less.

I hope the get things rolling.

Just maybe
 

Well yes....

Just maybe this plane may still yet become a production aircraft.....

Hopefully new owners will not make the mistake of talking big and doing small...nor put a plonker in control of the company...as has been the case over recent history.....

What they need to do is put one of the long time company veterans into control...and give them assistance from professionals....but bringing in an outside manager who wants to make a name for themselves has been proven NOT to work.....

I hope this time (which is the very last chance) things work out, but it is a long uphill struggle from here....

The prettiest jet ever. Be a shame to see her not realize her potential. Love that Swearingen swoosh tail - he did it on the SX300 as well.

My only complaint form a design point of view - she would look better with a bigger fanjet rather than the small inlet FJ44's. Like the G650 or the Citation X.
Big fans are cool.

Sanders Aeronautics - Aircraft - Swearingen SX300

I see the tail resemblance!!

SJ30
 

Stay tuned for next year for more testoterone from SJ.

Surely to goodness they haven´t roped in another sucker to invest in this dead duck. Good grief.:rolleyes:

LGW Ugly Dicky Bird

Why is it a dead duck then?

The numbers look good?

Please enlighten me

Ask the previous investors if the "numbers look good"? How long has this aircraft looked good on paper? How many have been made? How many have sold? Is it so good that the rest of the manufacturing community have fallen over themselves to buy the programme.

It's biggest selling point was it's range and speed - well guess what, it sold next to zero airframes.

Need any more "enlightening"?

LGWV

I am not rattling cages here - rather I am asking a serious question.

I read an airtest on it, some time back, and the test pilot seemed to find it nice to fly ISTR.

Is it the infrastructure/factory back-up that is causing angst?

Extra speed/range on CJ power, with good looks too, would have been a selling point IMHO.

Take a look into its history but basically, would you want to travel over long distances with such a small cabin? The company also had only one product, it did not have a range of products, something essential really in this industry. How many owners has the programme had now? Three or four?

It might handle well and have great speed and look good but commercially speaking it is a dead duck. There, that's the third time I've said it on this thread now.

The SJ30 is selling speed and efficiency. Smaller cabin, fuel sipping engines, 5-6 people, single pilot up front, go anywhere in the world. Nothing can touch it, and quite frankly I thought it would throw the industry on it's ear.

Your not selling this aircraft to the guy that wants to sit in a big cabin, pushing some whale through the air 50 knots slower and pay through the nose for it.

The results of my research into the business history of the company is baffling and tragic. It's almost like it was looted, or mismanaged, or intentionally blocked from being successful. It's the only aircraft manufacturer that if you had the money, put in escrow, and said 'build me a plane' they would probably figure out a way to screw it up.

Probably sounds Machiavellian but it sounds similar to cars developed with 75 mpg engines that we never see, and we wonder why.

My personal feeling is that it's production, financing, etc has been blocked, hindered by other interests, as most of what has gone on at that company has made no sense.

As far as orders go, they had thousands. It's the only company that I can think of that pretty much had the money in the bank and they still couldn't make it work.

I always liked the sj30, its a very interesting design. Range, speed and efficiency are excellent. But avionics and engines need an update. When it was designed, the 2.300lbs fj44-2a was the biggest williams engine aviable. Now with newer, bigger fj44s, the new design owner could really improve takeoff perf. numbers and maybe even range. I really hope they can bring it into full production this time. But I am not holding my breath...

Guys,
From what I heard during last nbaa, Phenom 300 nailed the competition. Even the new CJ4 is having a hard time.
Sj back into production? Very difficult to believe...
All the best,
Sydy

There'll be few occasions when this thing does 2500 miles, what it will allow you to do is in and out of the EU avoiding MOT and the plethora of other local taxes being levied on EU fuel.

2500 range will pretty much give round trip fuel into most of the popular haunts from south of BHX.

I'm interested in it's field performance, it's good everywhere else.....

If this was launched properly you'd need a good reason to buy a CJ2+