Citation Biggin Crash any news on why yet ?
 

It is some time since the Citation 500 crash at Biggin. There was a very in conclusive initial report way back.

Since then nothing. Anyone with further information on the likely reason for this crash? or is it going to be one of those "we do not know why" scenarios

Pace

Give the AAIB time, its a difficult one. Thats why its quiet!

As a 500 pilot I have a special interest in this one. There are rumours of some inherant design fault in the early 500 series and similar power loss situations which maybe just that rumours. But I would like to know.

My guess is that this one will be a 'don't know' but could have been abc which will leave us all in the dark.

Pace

18 months
 

AAIB has told the family of at least one of the pilots that it will take up to 18 months (as they (the AAIB) would not release the flying log books)

Just to add that regarding the Citation 500 accident in Oklahoma City that occurred a few day prior to the one referred to here there has been no further information released as well. Both aircraft crashed in a very similar manner.

Yes and there are a total of 4 simular unexplained power loss accidents in the older 500s. I was told due to a design defect in old 500s.

18 months is not acceptable if the above is true for those of us flying them.

Pace

Pace, do you think this is 18 months of kicking heels, long boozy lunches, and lazy afternoons sleeping it off? Or is this the estimate of a bunch of professional investigators trying to give an indication how long it might take to get to the bottom of an unusual accident with no recorded data and a severely burnt aircraft?

I'm sure the folk at Farnborough will be delighted to learn that you think their excellent work is done to such disappointing timescales...

Why the agressive response? I am sure if you flew an old 500 and there is talk about four other unexplained power losses on old 500s a week might be too long for you never mind 18 months.

Pace

Well, I was rather taken aback by your expression of dissatisfaction with the speed at which these difficult things are done...

Defensive, to those good folk, I would say... Aggressive, no.

I understand your desire to know what happened, but with the information available, I suspect no-one will. If you have a theory, I'm sure that the AIB would love to hear it. Drop them an email, or make a call. Especially if there's any meat on the bone of your suggestions that you know what may have gone wrong...

I'm sure that they'll be delighted if you can help them get to the answers any more quickly!

Allegedly, a man from Sussex was arrested on charges of perverting the course of justice and appeared in court at the end of May, to be then bailed and case to resume in July/August

Detectives investigating a plane crash which killed five people have arrested a 34-year-old man on suspicion of perverting the course of justice.
The man, who is from Sussex, was taken in for questioning and released on bail while police carry out further inquiries.
A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said the arrest was not in relation to the actual cause of the crash in Farnborough, Kent, last month.
The spokesman said: "As a result of enquiries into the Farnborough air crash on March 30, detectives from Bromley police have arrested a 34-year-old man from the Sussex area on suspicion of perverting the course of justice.
"The arrest is in relation to matters not connected to the actual cause of the crash."
Pilots Mike Roberts, 63, and Mike Chapman, 57, of Greenways Crescent, Shoreham, and passengers David Leslie, 54, Richard Lloyd, 63, and Christopher Allarton, 25, died when the privately-registered twin-engined jet plunged into a suburban cul-de-sac.
The Cessna Citation 1 plane destroyed a house and garage when it came down in Romsey Close and burst into flames.
The cause of the crash is still under investigation, with the Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB) due to release their initial findings later this week.
The man was bailed to return to a south London police station on May 29.

Sorry for the question, but what does "perverting the course of justice" mean in plain words? I do not get it, since I am not a native English speaker. Thanks for any hints :)

EatMyShorts!... it means, specifically, many things. For example, lying to police, witholding evidence etc, basically anything to stop them doing their job properly and thus preventing justice from being served in a correct and proper fashion.

Thanks for your reply! :ok: In other words: it is a very general statement and they do not give any information about what this person did. Alright...big secrets are out there! :ugh:

EMS.

Big secrets? Not necessarily. It's fairly normal for full details not to be released while a case is sub judice. The news article said he'd been bailed so it will all come out if/when the matter goes to Court.

Perverting the course of justice might, as r44flyer said, be one of many things. Perhaps someone close to the investigation telling lies or covering up. Then again it could just as easily be an attention seeking weirdo giving the authorities his 'eyewitness account' of the crash when he was nowhere near and just wanted someone to talk to.

Time will tell.

Flinti, true! Well, let's see... I hope they will come up with a good explanation for that accident.

EatMyShorts

The consensus of opinion I have heard is that the charges probably relate to the basis of the flight, not the cause of the accident. The aircraft was not registered in the EU, so it is very unlikely to have been a legitimate charter.

There are only two other options, a private flight or an illegal charter. The way people sometimes try to get away with illegal charters is by saying "he was a mate, he only paid me some of the costs to borrow my aircraft" (which people get away with sometimes). If not true, that might be considered perverting the course of justice, although only a court could decide of course.

>The consensus of opinion I have heard is that the charges probably relate to the basis of the flight, not the cause of the accident. The aircraft was not registered in the EU, so it is very unlikely to have been a legitimate charter.

There are only two other options, a private flight or an illegal charter. The way people sometimes try to get away with illegal charters is by saying "he was a mate, he only paid me some of the costs to borrow my aircraft" (which people get away with sometimes). If not true, that might be considered perverting the course of justice, although only a court could decide of course.>

Lost man standing

Why because it was not registered in the EU was it "very" unlikely to be a legitimate charter?
That implies that if it was registered in the EU it would be?
Dont really want to go down the legal and illegal charter arguement again check that previous thread but you can legitmately lease a private aircraft EU or Non EU and you can pay pilots to fly it for you.
A large proportion of business jets do that

Pace

Careful, PACE...

You might be arguing with people who know a LOT more than they're letting on!

no doubt something to do with mulligan's lot 247 jet out of southend:rolleyes:

Seems to be a rumour in the a/c insurance world that they're not paying up on this one, which suggests there was something odd about the flight (if not the actual cause of the accident).