Nice or Cannes?
 

I have been out of the loop for a while.Can anybody who is au fait with Nice or Cannes,pls just pass an opinion? We always used to spend long weekends in Cannes airport.Every time now it is getting to be a problem with PPRs;Slots & communication breakdown to achieve the latter.Boss is getting tired of it.I am wondering if We should consider Nice.Any Comments? (Lear 45).Thanks.

Nice is fine during the normal periods.
During the busy weekends (grand prix, cannes film festival) you're better of in Cannes, if you can get a slot of course.

Nice is fine with some good handling agents and quick out of the airport.
The one Glitch is fuel you can be held for ages waiting for fuel.

Pace

Many of the fuel issues are now sorted if you handle with Encore (Changed there name now but can't for the life of me remember what to) as they have their own bowser!

Encore is now called Landmark Aviation. A good FBO, own fuel, good comms and friendly staff. At Cannes, you will be up against PPR's and just lately, handling staff who struggle with the English language ! Catering at Cannes is also a problem as can be ATC arrival slots (reduced flow rates).

Cannes has issues to come in, Nice has problems with ramp space. see latest Notam.

Both are now coordinated airports; Environmental is tight in Cannes, and noise monitoring plus tracks compliance +Cohor might lead to a 7500€ fine per non-compliant flight...

Landmark , even with their own bowser would not be able to refuel on busy week end since their fuel will be held for scheduled airline by local law on ad-hoc basis.

Your boss is better off in Cannes with a LR45 than Nice, for a lot of reasons.

131.575 is manned during ops hours from a portacabin on top of the terminal.

Remember in Cannes whatever in visual approach or not , flight tracks have to be followed and clean configuration to be maintained up to Pibon.

Slot is manadatory, fines will be levied (7500 €)

have a good one

additionnal comments :

Airport Slot in Cannes: (not ppr; ppr is for accessing a restricted airport, this is not the case, if you come VFR, you can get in) There is a lot of availibility, coordination is implemented to prevent regulation (ATC slots); it is not more a burden than before, the ATC capacity is 4 arrival per hour (15 min pitch) and 6 departure per hour(10 min pitch) to a maximum of 9 movement sliding per hour. If more aircrafts are showing up (ATC delay enroute or else ---> Holding at MUS or NERAS) During the summer, people with no prior cohor authorisation are most likely to be diverted to Marseille, Avignon or Lyon ENROUTE by the UIR sector, the FPL will be killed not only when filed, but up to start up... Do you really want to have the customer in the plane , call for start to discover that you do not have an authorization ? ( same for Nice, special task force in place since yesterday)
If you operate outside your authorization time, ie FPL filed at a differrent time then the authorization ; at the end of IATA season S08, data will be crunched and 7500€ will be asked , PER flight !...

Noise monitoring campaign is on the go, DO NOT USE your reverses; MAINTAIN clean configuration to PIBON, FOLLOW the tracks even on a VISUAL approach... Money is scarce and now they have a law they can apply; remember they are going private and now they are accounted for the deviations....

As of late we've been favouring Cannes, as previously mentioned fuel is a nightmare to get hold of in Nice and over the last few months I reckon I have spent days waiting for the stuff there.

All in all, much of a muchness I guess but they say a change is as good as a break!

...depends on where the boss is going once arrived. If he's heading for St. Tropez you can also consider Toulon Hyeres.

hi ... for St Tropez, I would have thought La Môle (LFTZ) is more convenient :) never really busy there, and it's quite a challenging (visual)approach :ok:

Hmmm. Can you land there with a Lear 45? :confused:

not too sure CE550B...
FYI SIA : Service d'information aéronautique. Contrôle et réglementation de la circulation aérienne.
Have a look at the AIP charts for LFTZ, it might well answer your question...
NJE used to land with the FA50EX in the past.
sorry, hope it's not too off-topic :) have fun

Except you need a special rating to land there. You need to pick up an instructor rated for La Mole at (say) Cannes, then fly in, do two landings, get signed off, pay a fee - then you are valid for two years. Qaul is autovalidated for two years after your last landing.

You can certainly get into LFTZ on the likes of citations, not sure about Lear45.

I spent over two hours waiting for fuel at Nice last friday. Not very helpful agents and passengers sat on the aircraft for an hour before the refueller arrived. Cannes gets my vote now, although has anyone else been to Le Castellet? As long as the weather is ok it's a good alternative, couple of BBJ and legacy operators using it.

Yep, been into Le Castellet last year. Friendly and helpful. Nice FBO. NDB approach only (or visual :ok:) Marseille can leave you a bit high so keep an eye out for that.
I haven't had any problems there. (But I don't go there very often)

Need to have operated into there during the day before you can go in at night.

La Mole / LFTZ

How does that work for Public Transport for other operators, we have done the figures even with steep approach and cannot make this work on the C525/C25A.

Any clues or is it just that they are all private................ :rolleyes:

http://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv...._AD-2.LFTZ.pdf

GEt another aircraft ..lol...

a lot of guys are getting in private, but some JArops operators are doing it. On the Falcon 50 it was quite interesting, the 900 cannot get in though...

Visualisation d'aérodrome

Thisis why turboprops exists, it is better to appear conspious than not to appear at all... (Learjet advert for LR31A)

I always found that filing my flightplans exactly 120hours prior to COBT worked especially when you coincidentally filed your flight plans to give you an ETA that landed within the first 6 mins of each hour as they are limited to 10 IFR mvmnts each hour

so FP time 1230 and an EET of 0134 seemed to work even on a Friday afternoon. If slots were issued they were for the enroute segment and not the airport itself.

Spent every summer weekend there in 2003, managed to have it all worked out by August just as the season ended....

Of course if the boss gives you an hours notice to go on a Friday afternoon then you are fairly screwed. We would go to Nice instead We could then position from Nice to Cannes VFR via SW in around 10 mins on a saturday morning.

We would also use Helisecurite the Heli company who would normally come up with a free txfr if you bought 10 up front.

LFTH is not without its problems, its mil and the PPR is never available in a hurry.

WRT Reverse if yo need it use it, they would never prosecute somebody for using it if it was required for safety. Says so in the Jepps so must be true :ok:

All this is a couple of years old

Cannes or Nice
 

Like already stated...fuel in LFMN is a pain. We were there last week for 5 days. Was told by handler to come out a day early to fuel because of uncertainty. 125Euro taxi ride one way from Cannes to Nice, and the same girl that told me to come a day early(Sunday) for fuel now tells me...No fuel today!
After 5 hours wait and God only knows what price...Exxon showed up. While he was fueling me...3 pilots approached asking to be next, only to be told he was going to go home! Try explaining that crap to the boss! Socialism at its best and its not even August vacation time yet!

Nothing to do with any political inclination. Well at least on the fueller side.

A european law regulates where fuel can be stored, in Nice ( telluric area) there is no underground piping , leading to refuel with trucks. Fuel is coming from 200 Km away, and fuel trucks cannot drive with JEt A1 on week ends. As a consequence, fuel shortage can occur on specific times. But see, you had fuel, so the girl was right, had you showed up the day of departure , your boss would have loved the 5 hours on the ground.

Fueller are running in 12 hours shifts 24/7 at night there is a 3 hours coordination time frame. Everything is published, you have to read, I believed you read the Aiport specific training to get into Nice ? Insurance do not cover the operation on overtime frame; do you want to be refuelled with no insurance ? I do not think so.

125 Euro taxi from Nice to Cannes !! LoL they saw you coming, you must have had a good attitude...:cool:



It could have been a good trick last year but not anymore now with the coordination; the frame is exactly at 00, 15, 30 , 45 for arrivals and 10, 20, 30 , 40 , 50, 00 for departures to a maximum of 9 movements per hour. As a consequence you can only have a 1440 departure slot and not a 1445 ( it does not exist). Your FPL HAS TO BE FILED for your slot time on departure and EOBT+Ftime on ARRIVAL. If not , on the data analysis at the end of the year, your flights would show non-compliants, and you will go to the cash stop...

For the reverses; it is just an heads up for the coming noise regulation, France commit itself into a "green" political behaviour, and vote laws for noise deviations, the tool exists now, therefore it will be implemented in Cannes.

Same for the track monitoring and associated noise foot print, read carefuly the Jepps, watch out for a specific briefing required, with pilot license number etc, mandatory before operating in Cannes..scheduled by year end..

Geewhizzdriver.

Does that ^^^^ sum up the attitude you encountered at Nice? It's the national psyche I'm afraid, you couldn't beat it out of them if you tried. ;)