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jetopa 24th May 2008 15:36

to Bizjetguy
 
Dear combattant: shame on your emloyer and f... her/him! As outrageous this is, you deserve better and should move on. Chances are that you will find another job in no time.

The very best of luck!

FourGreenNoRed 25th May 2008 10:39

Bizjetguy . . .

. . . your story leaves me speechless What about your other crewmember? Were you the PIC? What was the situation exactly? Running out of duty including CPT prerogtive? :confused:

Such a behaviour is hard to believe (not that I dont!), BUT I would blame and shame and go to court.

Come on, spit it out, ths story and the name!

We promise not to tell anybody! :}

Gulfstreamaviator 25th May 2008 15:04

I can not possibly comment
 
BJG: it would not be wise to name and sham e here, but believe me there are others who would join your band.

joehunt 25th May 2008 18:37

Depends which one values the most, the stinking job or their hard earned licence.

I can always get another job with my license intact, however my intact job will not get me another license.

If something were to go wrong, as things do from time to time, it is not only the authorities one needs to be scared of, it is the insurance company who insure the a/c. They have never been known to pay out if they could find an excuse not to. That company that just fired BJC would be the first to point the finger and say "we never encouraged the Captain to exceed the FDTL's". The problem is you "help them out" once and they will expect it everytime.

If any young guys out there, are being pushed by some ops clown for eg., trying to make a name for themselves at your expense, just ask them to fax their request, if it is illegal, to your point of departure. The rules are there to protect the crews, pax and 3rd parties. Observe them and you will always be able to hold your head high, even when some b*****d fires you for doing so.

jetopa 26th May 2008 15:40

@ Biszetguy
 
Check your inbox, mate. I sent you something...:ok:

HermanTheGerman 27th May 2008 14:52

today...
 
...on Taxiway 2, waiting in sequence as number 3 for departure Runway 24 and moving forward: suddenly, without any notice, a Tashkent Airways TU 154 came from the left taxiway, moving in front of us so that we had to apply full brakes. Asking the tower, what is going on there- the answer was: Ah, I can't see you there, please give way to the Tashkent Airways! which we already had done- to avoid a collision. Does anybody know where I can send a report to? :ugh:

BizJetJockey 4th Feb 2009 07:10

Expensive sandwich is an understatement!!!
 
I'm curious...has anyone been charged nearly $100 for a couple of sandwiches, coffee and a couple of cokes at that silly little bar in the VIP terminal/Vnukovo 3?

A seriously long day with barely a coffee and a biscuit and then they spring that upon you! Where do they get the nerve from?:mad::{

CaptainProp 4th Feb 2009 07:44

BizjetGuy - Still around? Whatever happened concerning your employer, or ex employer anyway?

CP

inner 4th Feb 2009 07:48

I've been just once in Vnukovo. But i remember the gave us radar vectors. The last vector was an interception angle of 80° on the localiser. Never had that before.:eek:

BizJetJockey 4th Feb 2009 08:13

Try 180 degrees! I'm just kidding! :} By the way...i'm not BizJetGuy...although i'd be interested to know if he's still around.

dan1165 4th Feb 2009 08:16

Or sometimes they give u a rwy change at the very very last moment :suspect:..

Gulfstreamaviator 4th Feb 2009 10:08

Is this I hate IJM or VNO thread
 
IJM have had their problems, and I am sure will continue to do so.

VNO ditto, and they will get worse.

glf

Chippie Chappie 4th Feb 2009 10:59

Inner, that's normal at VKO, they give you a 90 deg. vector and EXPECT you to intercept it yourself, i.e. when close, you turn for a smaller intercept angle. If you don't, you'll almost certainly go through the LOC.

Be careful out there :)

jetjock1 4th Feb 2009 14:31

Moscow Vnukovo
 
Hi all

Remember you will not get cleared to land until you have confirmed "Gear Down and Locked" - not "Three Greens" or anything else, must be "Gear Down and Locked" :ok:

Have made over one hundred and fifty approaches there, and have no intention of adding any more if I can avoid it !

JJ1

hawker750 4th Feb 2009 16:55

vnukovo approaches
 
There is a very nasty "gotcha" in the early 125-800's and all the 700's. The final decent under radar is from 600m to 500m that is from 2600 ft QNH to 2300. All at a time when you are "dumped" with a 90 turn onto finals. The Alt capture phase of the Autopilot is about 300 feet depending on ROD and early 800's (and 700's) have a horrible design fault that if you touch the VS wheel in the capture phase it will disarm your ALT select!
The problem is you are in the capture phase as soon as you touch the VS wheel to go down....bingo your alt select is disarmed.
Because the designers never imagined that any where would expect a 300 foot descent increment (1600 feet above the ground) probably thought it was OK.
After about serial number 50 they changed the design.
Watch it like a hawk if you go there in a 700 or an early 800. NEVER hurry the approach and it may be better to fly a manual approach
Also I think the best call on finals is "Ready to Land". Same in all the "stans" as well

Dumbledor 18th Feb 2009 17:43

To reply to the post about sleeping on the a/c. I have peeled off the Russian visas in the past and stuck them on top of each other, to free up pages in the passport. Better than freezing on board.

L'Argonauta 3rd Apr 2009 17:02

...and then after one year I came back in Vnukovo! fair weather, passengers slightly late but not more than 30 minutes, flight plan arranged and Apu running waiting only for start up clearance!! great! LET'S TRY AGAIN MAYBE IN ONE YEAR THINGS HAD CHANGED!

Vnukovo Ground xxxxx31 Request start!

xxxxx31 ( a young lady voice ) Vnukovo Ground STAND BY!

oh no! different day, same sh*t!

this time i spent 1,45 minutes on board waiting for that clearence while my boss bacame furious and any time i tried to get an exlpanation or even an estimate i received the same answer "STAND BY"!!

now i'm pretty sure! happines is......V1 out of Vnukovo!!!!!!!!

dss3000 3rd Apr 2009 21:22

Happyness for me is a dry fart at V2 out of Mumbai !!

Pretty standard for Vnukovo, if your boss doesn't understand the delays out of there he must be fairly new to business aviation in Russia. hopefully he'll get used to it before he fires you LOL

Have fun,

jr of dallas 4th Apr 2009 11:18

I agree Mumbai is tough...Vnukovo on the other hand if your boss doesn't know any executive from Russaero/vipport and entertain "good relation" with them you'll wait for sure..It's like Africa with the snow !

Der_Fischmeister 4th Apr 2009 12:16

hi
 
long time no vnukovo for me ...anyone can tell me if the business aviation over there is picking up ?


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