Some numpty just been babbling on Sky News about pooleys flight guide showing the VFR Departure routes :ugh: requiring a turn at between 1 - 1.5 miles from the Airport, and what therefore was the Aircraft doing at least 2 miles away!!!!!!!... Makes ya wanna weep.:{

Posted at 1630 Local or 1530z so obviously not the actual arrival time.

Due to arrive in Pau at 1554, crash was at 1330z.

I hope someone at sky gets a rollocking for getting a gossipy neighbour to give out the full names of the owners of the house which is pretty much gutted by fire. I know they are on holiday, but in this day and age of international news there is every chance the owners will find out this way.

One more thing, they are getting lots of people to say how bad it is that they live under a flight path. May I therefore suggest they move? I live under the flightpath for MAN and here the same nonsense up here. This is a truely awful accident and not helped along by foolish reporters looking for scandal.

RIP to all involved.

Lexxity,
Have to agree with you on that point. Not nice to have your house totalled & thank god they were away, but... Biggin was there a lot longer than those houses! Why do we have to cram houses in those places where houses should not be built?

The dichotomy that people face when considering posting the apparent reg of the aircraft involved should be subject to caution before we all throw stones.

As the Ops Manager of a large fleet of various Citation marques (including other a/c inbound BQH today); both I and my Ops team were desperate to seek confirmation that it was not one of "our" aircraft. Thank God, all our birds are accounted for.

The above may appear to be a callous comment, but I don't think for a minute that my guys were the only Bizjet Ops dep't trying to get immediate contact with any of our airborne aircraft that could conceivably be the one involved.

That said however, PPRuNe is not the way to find out the news that so sadly one Operator has received today.

Information or sensationalism? If the former, then with sadness I believe it to be appropriate; the latter, then not.

Sympathy to allcon from EBJ Ops

Sky news just broadcast a picture of the aerie involved. Reg. was VH-... couldn't see the last part of the reg. Out of interest what country uses VH? Condolences to the crew and pax. :(

The houses in the news pictures look very new and have certainly been built and bought while Biggin has been in operation. They only have themselves to blame for moving there.

According to BBC, Andrew Walters of Biggin Hill A/P said the flight was a commercial flight. In which case highly unlikely to be VP-B registered or C for that matter!

BBC News website has named the owners now. :mad:

Reports say that the crew reported strong engine vibration......could be an uncontained engine rotor failure? I know protecting systems from UERF especially FCs can be a knightmare with rear mounted engines.

Thoughts are with the families of all involved. I think I'll wait for the investigation to complete before making my judgments. It looks pretty much a big mess; I can only guess at the cause.

Various news channels reporting on it at the moment and pretty much all garbage aside from the blatant obvious facts.

To be perfectly honest it wouldn't suprise me if those particular news agencies read and utilised whats on here, I doubt most reporters who need t get a story together quickly will understand the finer points of general aviation and need some more developed opinions...

I just looked up my OS map of East London to see how far off the extended runway line the houses were, and the road isn't on the map. Admittedly it's a 1976 map, but the aerodrome certainly predates the road. (I lived near there in the 1940s/50s and remember the Meteors roaring overhead.)

It's roughly 3.5km from the threshold of runway 21 and about 500m off the glide path, by my reckoning.

Some teenager was just telling BBC reporter that aircraft was so low it knocked over her mate with a wing and then pilots waved at her to move out of the way :eek::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Can't belive those idiots......

biggin was there a long time before those people living in those houses were

Also go to love the interviewee (who shall henceforth be known as 'chav') who just claimed that the aircraft was going at about 20mph...surely a Citation would only be doing that speed on the deck...not prior to the crash...!

Ah well...never mind...it *is* Sky!

Uncontrolled rotor disc failure is not uncommon, particularly the on the UERF system skid protecting EU agenda, which should never have been brought in anyway.

Hydroman400 aside, should FCS have been applicable any way?

Mwell?

am told the operator is Ross Air.

Rossair? As in South African Rossair?

Not as inappropriate as the BBC broadcasting such verbal diarrhea from attention-seeking, pikey chavs and general fantasists. Yes it's a very nasty incident, and it's very sad that people have apparently lost their lives, but an outpouring of detached, insincere grief from those who have no personal connection to those involved either directly or indirectly is also rather nauseating.

Agreed... As per my last post, perhaps they should go get some qualified opinions first.