European corporate pilot pay...
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the usual topics ***, salary, seniority!
How true, very market driven and with the current downturn hardly surprising that basic rates seem to have been rather static for years.
However, its also generally true that the higher qualified ( or perceived to be ! ) will attract higher rates by being in demand for specialist skills, eg TRE/IRE, ( those were the days ) other training, or management/consultancy experience.
Generally, the 'big' jump comes moving from Mid to Heavy Iron, there is a smaller gap between Light and Medium, and also the rarity of the species....not many drivers around...up go the rates for the job!
Lastly, don't be fooled into taking domestic USA figures and converting into Sterling/Euro, it just doesn't work!
However, its also generally true that the higher qualified ( or perceived to be ! ) will attract higher rates by being in demand for specialist skills, eg TRE/IRE, ( those were the days ) other training, or management/consultancy experience.
Generally, the 'big' jump comes moving from Mid to Heavy Iron, there is a smaller gap between Light and Medium, and also the rarity of the species....not many drivers around...up go the rates for the job!
Lastly, don't be fooled into taking domestic USA figures and converting into Sterling/Euro, it just doesn't work!
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I agree BBCapt
BBCapt has a valid point. Don't even convert US to Euro, cost of living, tax, and other little matters make the comparison difficult.
A UK based Medium Jet Capt, should expect as mentioned earlier circa 8000 stg per month, plus the various package deals.
A Chief Pilot, a differental of 1-2000 stg per month. (this is often be formulated as an annual bonus).
Co Jo, as listed, and hostis normally above the 25 quoted, nearer 35 for good corporate ones.
All the above exclude a per deim of circa 100-150US per day/night.
If based away, from home, either short or long time, and a duty rotation is required then between 1/1 or 2/1 month on off is normal. Paid regardless of on/off. Not like one major canadian management crewing operation, who pay peanuts, and only on days worked.
Now is not the time to demand large salary increases !!!!!!!
A UK based Medium Jet Capt, should expect as mentioned earlier circa 8000 stg per month, plus the various package deals.
A Chief Pilot, a differental of 1-2000 stg per month. (this is often be formulated as an annual bonus).
Co Jo, as listed, and hostis normally above the 25 quoted, nearer 35 for good corporate ones.
All the above exclude a per deim of circa 100-150US per day/night.
If based away, from home, either short or long time, and a duty rotation is required then between 1/1 or 2/1 month on off is normal. Paid regardless of on/off. Not like one major canadian management crewing operation, who pay peanuts, and only on days worked.
Now is not the time to demand large salary increases !!!!!!!
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As a 757/767 Skipper with a background of GA and VIP corporate air taxi flying I was wondering what the chances were of giving up the night flights to the Greek Isles and swopping to a more prestigious clientel?
Current salary is around £70K with all the insurance trimmings and a generous company contribution to a money purchase scheme.
What chance do I have of jumping into the corporate world? I would be looking for some long haul style ops on a Global Express or G4 or higher.
I was led to believe some years ago that selection was based more on who you now in the business rather than experience.
Is getting a GB or G4 rating a good start?
Advice please!
Current salary is around £70K with all the insurance trimmings and a generous company contribution to a money purchase scheme.
What chance do I have of jumping into the corporate world? I would be looking for some long haul style ops on a Global Express or G4 or higher.
I was led to believe some years ago that selection was based more on who you now in the business rather than experience.
Is getting a GB or G4 rating a good start?
Advice please!
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Some (many?) Corporate Operators are unwilling to look at Pilots from an Airline background...experience seems to suggest that it's not always a happy (or successful) move.
But if you've been in Corporate before, you'll remember how to carry VIP's bags........
But if you've been in Corporate before, you'll remember how to carry VIP's bags........
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Fishing trip over
Well Will have you finished fishing, what was the catch...I trust you will pass back your finding to those of us who might be interested.....
Once again 727 is hotter on the trigger than what I is.
Baggage handling, toilet cleaning, and groveling are the key functions of a corporate pilot, carpet cleaning and climbing on wings are not optional.
The down side is worse.......staying in 5 star hotels weeks on end....sitting waiting thinking....not able to have more than one beer......dont even plan a day as a tourist.....
So why do we do it.....F$$K nose........but it is better than working for a living any day.......
If you are really lucky your first divorce will cost you all your pension, and insurance policies then you can really get a life.....and a sun tan....
Once again 727 is hotter on the trigger than what I is.
Baggage handling, toilet cleaning, and groveling are the key functions of a corporate pilot, carpet cleaning and climbing on wings are not optional.
The down side is worse.......staying in 5 star hotels weeks on end....sitting waiting thinking....not able to have more than one beer......dont even plan a day as a tourist.....
So why do we do it.....F$$K nose........but it is better than working for a living any day.......
If you are really lucky your first divorce will cost you all your pension, and insurance policies then you can really get a life.....and a sun tan....
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Thanks for the replies.
I am the sort of Captain that goes to the front loo on a Boeing and actually cleans it up from the mess that the British working class leave behind. So shovelling **** is no problem!
I am a 'service orientated person'...for that read 'I like to give'.. the only catch is that I like someone to say thanks...sometime. So carrying bags, doing the extra approach, staying on duty that bit longer, etc etc is nothing new nor abhorent to me.
It's just that I am currently working for an Airline where I am no more than a machine to be exhausted as much as is legal and then replaced with a new unit. Also my airline runs a training system that seriously damages your health. Even as an experienced pilot you never know if you have a job next side of your sim ride!! And given a free choice the company are trying to turn us into Itinerant hourly paid freelancers. Frankly I want to reach retirement with a valid medical and that ain't going to happen if I stay where I am.
So, is there an operator that appreciates bloody hard work, good attitude, professionalism and flexibility? If so where do I find them..
Answers please.....
PS; I dont mind hotel stays as long as I take my laptop, and I'm already divorced!!
I am the sort of Captain that goes to the front loo on a Boeing and actually cleans it up from the mess that the British working class leave behind. So shovelling **** is no problem!
I am a 'service orientated person'...for that read 'I like to give'.. the only catch is that I like someone to say thanks...sometime. So carrying bags, doing the extra approach, staying on duty that bit longer, etc etc is nothing new nor abhorent to me.
It's just that I am currently working for an Airline where I am no more than a machine to be exhausted as much as is legal and then replaced with a new unit. Also my airline runs a training system that seriously damages your health. Even as an experienced pilot you never know if you have a job next side of your sim ride!! And given a free choice the company are trying to turn us into Itinerant hourly paid freelancers. Frankly I want to reach retirement with a valid medical and that ain't going to happen if I stay where I am.
So, is there an operator that appreciates bloody hard work, good attitude, professionalism and flexibility? If so where do I find them..
Answers please.....
PS; I dont mind hotel stays as long as I take my laptop, and I'm already divorced!!
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Not done yet!
Itswindyout (and everyone else),
I'm not done "fishing" yet as I'm sure that there is much more information out there to be gathered. I would however be glad to share whatever I get when I'm done.
So come on people!!! What is that little (or big
) number on your paycheck? Has anyone taken paycuts recently due to S.A.R.S, etc.?
Always seem to get information from people operating the bigger jets (i.e. Challengers, Falcon 900/2000, etc.) but not the small and medium stuff. Surely someone must fly them as I see them move around all the time
I would like type acft., type ops., monthly salary, per diem and benefits. Please! Only Europe!!!
I'll see ya'll around out there!
Will
I'm not done "fishing" yet as I'm sure that there is much more information out there to be gathered. I would however be glad to share whatever I get when I'm done.
So come on people!!! What is that little (or big
) number on your paycheck? Has anyone taken paycuts recently due to S.A.R.S, etc.? Always seem to get information from people operating the bigger jets (i.e. Challengers, Falcon 900/2000, etc.) but not the small and medium stuff. Surely someone must fly them as I see them move around all the time
I would like type acft., type ops., monthly salary, per diem and benefits. Please! Only Europe!!!
I'll see ya'll around out there!
Will
I am a figment of my own imagination
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Ella, had friend who was recently a 744 Capt and coming up for retirement due age joined special flight and got a G4 rating and almost a year on the plane before leaving. He did not find any corporate job and is now back as an F/O with an European 74 operator.
Rating will be expensive, prices vary but still enough to make the eyes water wherever you go, not to mention the airfares and accomodation, no garantee at the end of it. Operators vary enormously in their perks and pay and it is pure luck as to which one you might get on with. Present climate not great. You are flying and with a lot of guys being laid off, now not a good time to be on the market.
Rating will be expensive, prices vary but still enough to make the eyes water wherever you go, not to mention the airfares and accomodation, no garantee at the end of it. Operators vary enormously in their perks and pay and it is pure luck as to which one you might get on with. Present climate not great. You are flying and with a lot of guys being laid off, now not a good time to be on the market.
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Thanks for all your replies and messages.
I am aware that jumping off the Titanic before it get's to the iceberg is a risky career move. So whatever is available would have to be worthwhile, and hopefully be backed well enough to see me through to retirement, but that would be asking too much of the GA world, as I remember only too well.
If anyone has any further information please feel free to let me know via the private messages link.
I am aware that jumping off the Titanic before it get's to the iceberg is a risky career move. So whatever is available would have to be worthwhile, and hopefully be backed well enough to see me through to retirement, but that would be asking too much of the GA world, as I remember only too well.
If anyone has any further information please feel free to let me know via the private messages link.
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Big is Best
Will R,
I think the reason only big boys reply is that big boys get big money, and are proud.......
Small boys are not proud.....
So I agree, small can be beautiful......so Im told......
I think the reason only big boys reply is that big boys get big money, and are proud.......
Small boys are not proud.....
So I agree, small can be beautiful......so Im told......
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As we know , salaries and benefits varies wildly in corporate world. I know a Falcon captain who makes €2500 per month as well as a captain who fly a similar airplane making €8500! Needless to say that this 2500 fellow is worked much harder...
Somehow I think that the medium salary today for a midsize bizjet is somewhere around €50.000 annually. Heavier types pay a little better, I guess. Co pilots get 60-70% of captain pay?
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Somehow I think that the medium salary today for a midsize bizjet is somewhere around €50.000 annually. Heavier types pay a little better, I guess. Co pilots get 60-70% of captain pay?
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Corporate Salaries
Hey Chaps....
Can anyone give me an idea of what salaries (approx - im not being nosy) for operating biz jets either single pilot or multi pilot for private operations. Something along the Lear 45/ Citation series aircraft.
Salaries, conditions, leave, availability, pension, medical loss of licence etc...etc....
Cheers
Steve
Can anyone give me an idea of what salaries (approx - im not being nosy) for operating biz jets either single pilot or multi pilot for private operations. Something along the Lear 45/ Citation series aircraft.
Salaries, conditions, leave, availability, pension, medical loss of licence etc...etc....
Cheers
Steve
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Captain or FO? I would say you could compare the salary to a regional airline possibly slightly better.
The rest depends on who you work for, leave can be standard 4 weeks sort of thing to 0, availability is usually 24/7 unless you are working for a large department with spare crews.
It really is that variable I'm affraid.
You just need to argue your case in the interview and ask for what you want, no point taking a job and not bieng happy with the T&C
The rest depends on who you work for, leave can be standard 4 weeks sort of thing to 0, availability is usually 24/7 unless you are working for a large department with spare crews.
It really is that variable I'm affraid.
You just need to argue your case in the interview and ask for what you want, no point taking a job and not bieng happy with the T&C
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Yeah a position running an aircraft from start to finish,whether it be private 2 crew, or private single crew. Just tosee what benefits the industry standard is, such as pension, health care,etc ....
Thanks
Thanks
ProPilot usually has a salary survey in its June issue. I think it´s somewhere online as well.
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I would estimate that 60K for Captain and 40K (pounds sterling)would be kind of average. Top of that normal insurance, per diems and car. If you get more be happy.
