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Old 9th May 2021, 06:06
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New Falcon 10X

https://www.dassaultfalcon.com/en/Ai.../overview.aspx

Well they've certainly fired a shot at the competition, that cabin is huge! Going to be nice for those that worked hard enough to sit back there.

Interested by the single thrust lever though. Top of my head I can't remember this being used anywhere else on multiengine aircraft. Ill be interested to see how that is managed in situations where you want to fly with reduced thrust on one side, vibrations or stalling at high revs that reduce at mid power for example.

In fact the more I think about it I'm struggling to see a real world benefit?
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Originally Posted by waterbottle View Post
https://www.dassaultfalcon.com/en/Ai.../overview.aspx

Well they've certainly fired a shot at the competition, that cabin is huge! Going to be nice for those that worked hard enough to sit back there.

Interested by the single thrust lever though. Top of my head I can't remember this being used anywhere else on multiengine aircraft. Ill be interested to see how that is managed in situations where you want to fly with reduced thrust on one side, vibrations or stalling at high revs that reduce at mid power for example.

In fact the more I think about it I'm struggling to see a real world benefit?

Seems like technology for its own sake


And what happened to Falcon ?

they used to make good looking aircraft
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Old 9th May 2021, 07:12
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It has got the most important bit right - the cabin.

I too am struggling with the single power lever. I can’t think what advantages it offers over a conventional layout.
likewise the ‘lie flat’ seat. I’ve had power naps in the seat, but you are always disturbed by something. Presumably they have already discussed it with the regulators but I wouldn’t want to take any FTL credit for it!

I am intrigued by the auto-recovery system and how that would work - what enables it to recover in the event of, say, an ADS failure? Or is it only of use when pilots screw up flying a perfectly serviceable aircraft?

Finally.....why does it look like a Platypus???
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Wasn't there already a Falcon 10 in the 1960s?
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Old 9th May 2021, 08:47
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Originally Posted by The Flying Stool View Post
Wasn't there already a Falcon 10 in the 1960s?
Certainly was, some 200 built in the 1970s and 1980s. French Navy still use them and a fair few civvy examples flying I believe.

Agree Falcons look rather ugly now - the Falcon 50 was the most elegant of the series.
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Have they got rid of the ridiculous tiny nosewheels that feel all the bumps, yet?
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Originally Posted by waterbottle View Post
Interested by the single thrust lever though. Top of my head I can't remember this being used anywhere else on multiengine aircraft.
Dassault Rafale. It’s not their first rodeo.
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More info here....

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...-autothrottles
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Finally.....why does it look like a Platypus???
Because the A380 looks like a barramundi.
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Originally Posted by 601 View Post
Because the A380 looks like a barramundi.
I think you mean Dugong.
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Lie flat pilot seat is Dassault's way to make use of the soon-to-be released regulations on single pilot cruise operations. EASA, on the manufacturer's request, is planning this for 2023.

I know 19 hours flight duty period with basic flight crew are common in business operations, but after that, this will be legal.
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Originally Posted by DCThumb View Post
It has got the most important bit right - the cabin.

Finally.....why does it look like a Platypus???
Good one. I was thinking sturgeon. It's a bit odd for a legacy of planes that used to look sharp, like, what was it again, oh yes, like falcons. Otherwise a beautiful design.
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Old 13th May 2021, 15:09
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I heard cabin pressure 3000ft at FL450 too
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Difficult rest in the flight deck if the trim in motion clacker is going off....

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Originally Posted by Deep and fast View Post
Difficult rest in the flight deck if the trim in motion clacker is going off....
🤯 noise canceling headset maybe?

Besides, not much trimming going on in level flight. At least on my F2000
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Originally Posted by fab777 View Post
Lie flat pilot seat is Dassault's way to make use of the soon-to-be released regulations on single pilot cruise operations. EASA, on the manufacturer's request, is planning this for 2023.

I know 19 hours flight duty period with basic flight crew are common in business operations, but after that, this will be legal.
Interesting

Bizjet only?
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Originally Posted by Deep and fast View Post
Difficult rest in the flight deck if the trim in motion clacker is going off....
There is no clacker at all in this digital Fly By Wire aircraft, and no trim wheel. Very quiet flight deck. The only noise comes from the galley when somebody is working or speaking there.
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Was thinking Mach trim like in mine, but that’s not FBW....
All good then )
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Originally Posted by pilot dude View Post
🤯 noise canceling headset maybe?

Besides, not much trimming going on in level flight. At least on my F2000
maybe we need a slimmer flight attendant 🤣
That is a joke before anyone gets excitable....
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