Fly EASA registered airplane with licence issued by different EASA member

[matiasc]

Hi all!

Just a quick question that I don't seem to find the answer anywhere.

I was wondering if a pilot license issued by an EASA member State allows you to fly any aircraft registered in the EU, even if it is registered in a country different than the one that issued your pilot license.

Thank you!

[EatMyShorts!]

Yes, otherwise the entire idea of EASA would be useless. Since last year, or so, you just need to carry a piece of paper with you, confirming that you are allowed to fly a plane registered in EASA-country Z, although your licence was issued in EASA-country Y. That's all.

[matiasc]

Thanks for the quick response sir!

Cheers

[pilot dude]

Where did that come from? I fly airplane from X Y Z and Ę but no operator or authority I do bussiness with has ever said anything about that. Do you have a link to the EASA website where this is mentioned.

Unless that piece of paper you referring to is an EASA FCL 😜

BTW, my license is from Q and my medical from S and I do my LPC with an examiner from H at an ATO in F but non of this seems to matter as its al EASA.

Originally Posted by EatMyShorts!

Yes, otherwise the entire idea of EASA would be useless. Since last year, or so, you just need to carry a piece of paper with you, confirming that you are allowed to fly a plane registered in EASA-country Z, although your licence was issued in EASA-country Y. That's all.

[EatMyShorts!]

This rule was put in place 1 or 2 years ago. One is supposed to have a printed copy on tour for ramp checks. Since I was made redundant I do not have access to my e-documents anymore and I seem to have lost the printed copy. I am trying to find out more and come back.

[BizJetJock]

It's only required for flights outside the EASA area to prove to any ramp inspectors that your EASA licence from country X is valid on an aircraft registered in country Y. It is not required within the EASA area.

[pilot dude]

I would really like to know because what’s the point of an EASA license if authorities can say you’re not allowed to fly on their national registered airplanes. Then we are back to square one that one has to apply to all individual authorities every time one will fly an airplane of another EASA nation. Would be like if I did my FAA check in TEB and when I start flying in LA I have to ask the local FAA if I can fly an “Californian” airplane. (No I’m not American)

Whole freaking point with EASA is to have one license valid in all member states. It’s about time they start printing all EASA licenses in Köln so everybody has the same. (And no I don’t live in Germany but that’s where the EASA headquarters are.)

[pilot dude]

Originally Posted by BizJetJock

It's only required for flights outside the EASA area to prove to any ramp inspectors that your EASA licence from country X is valid on an aircraft registered in country Y. It is not required within the EASA area.

our answers crossed. so this piece of paper is all that’s required. is about as useful as applying for an international drivers license when go to anonther country, handing it them and then hear the Hertz clerk say. What kind of paper is this? Can I just have your (plastic) drivers license 😂😂

[Mustapha Cuppa]

To be clear, this is to fulfil an ICAO requirement and is not a limitation imposed by the Basic Regulation.

ICAO only "recognises" individual member states, not groupings of member states. And whilst your licence is issued in accordance with Part-FCL, it is, nevertheless, issued by the authorities of individual member states, not EASA.

[Dave Gittins]

Many a long year ago I rocked up in Heraklion to have a play in a Greek (but ex-Stapleford and re registered) C-150 while I was on holiday in Crete. Two ladies from the Greek CAA insisted my EASA PPL was invalid as it wasn't a "Greek License" despite the Greek flying school owner bringing out a tome the size of a West London telephone directory and pointing out were it was most certainly allowed.

The ultimate solution was to rope in a passing flying school member who kipped in the RHS while I flew around.

[EatMyShorts!]

Originally Posted by BizJetJock

It's only required for flights outside the EASA area to prove to any ramp inspectors that your EASA licence from country X is valid on an aircraft registered in country Y. It is not required within the EASA area.

Ah, perfect! Thanks for providing the details, obviously I remembered it only partially correct.

Originally Posted by Mustapha Cuppa

To be clear, this is to fulfil an ICAO requirement and is not a limitation imposed by the Basic Regulation.
ICAO only "recognises" individual member states, not groupings of member states. And whilst your licence is issued in accordance with Part-FCL, it is, nevertheless, issued by the authorities of individual member states, not EASA.

With this context it makes absolute sense (although it still doesn't make sense, but that's a different discussion).

Years ago, I rented a European registered C182 in Africa, no paper required back then, never had any issues.

[pilot dude]

Originally Posted by Mustapha Cuppa

ICAO only "recognises" individual member states, not groupings of member states. And whilst your licence is issued in accordance with Part-FCL, it is, nevertheless, issued by the authorities of individual member states, not EASA.

Hence the need to stop issuing individual member state licenses and issue 1 common EASA license by EASA in Köln and not individual member states. The only reason this is still done is because a bunch of petty bureaucrats in individual EASA countries still think saving their job is more important than serving thousands of pilots for who the whole organization actually is made. But as with most things in EASA, we are there to help them with their jobs and they are not there to help us with our jobs.

[asdf1234]

Originally Posted by pilot dude

Hence the need to stop issuing individual member state licenses and issue 1 common EASA license by EASA in Köln and not individual member states. The only reason this is still done is because a bunch of petty bureaucrats in individual EASA countries still think saving their job is more important than serving thousands of pilots for who the whole organization actually is made. But as with most things in EASA, we are there to help them with their jobs and they are not there to help us with our jobs.

The EASA could only issue licences if the EU was seen as the National Authority, which would make the EU a country, which it isn't, hence why EASA can't issue licences.
National Authorities need to retain the skills required to legislate and administrate (such as issuing licences) just in case they decide to cease membership of the EASA. The UK being the most obvious example.

[pilot dude]

Originally Posted by asdf1234

The EASA could only issue licences if the EU was seen as the National Authority, which would make the EU a country, which it isn't, hence why EASA can't issue licences.
National Authorities need to retain the skills required to legislate and administrate (such as issuing licences) just in case they decide to cease membership of the EASA. The UK being the most obvious example.

There would be absolutely no problem with that if the EU would apply to do so with ICAO. As soon as countries like the UK leave they can do the licensing themselves again. Kinda pointless to say we don’t do thinks as one unit just in case one of us after 20 years decides to leave the EU. it’s especially thinks like this where the proces of cross border work becomes simplified that makes sense where EASA is concerned.

Besides, not sure what it says on your license but on mine it says it’s issues by the local CAA on behalf of the European Union, European Union flight crew license. EASA form 141 issue 2

What’s the point of having 27 different LPC forms and 27 different ways of having the PBN administrated when we all fly the same GNSS approach. It’s a nightmare for examiners to navigate thought the forrest of rules when dealing with 27 different authorities. The whole point is to make it one system with one form and one PO Box to send the form to. If the UK is an example of anything it’s that it’s good riddance to them for wanting to keep everything British instead of agreeing with others on one system.

[asdf1234]

Originally Posted by pilot dude

There would be absolutely no problem with that if the EU would apply to do so with ICAO. As soon as countries like the UK leave they can do the licensing themselves again. Kinda pointless to say we don’t do thinks as one unit just in case one of us after 20 years decides to leave the EU. it’s especially thinks like this where the proces of cross border work becomes simplified that makes sense where EASA is concerned.

Besides, not sure what it says on your license but on mine it says it’s issues by the local CAA on behalf of the European Union, European Union flight crew license. EASA form 141 issue 2

What’s the point of having 27 different LPC forms and 27 different ways of having the PBN administrated when we all fly the same GNSS approach. It’s a nightmare for examiners to navigate thought the forrest of rules when dealing with 27 different authorities. The whole point is to make it one system with one form and one PO Box to send the form to. If the UK is an example of anything it’s that it’s good riddance to them for wanting to keep everything British instead of agreeing with others on one system.

One day the EU will be a country just like the USA and at that point you will have your wish.

For now EASA takes ICAO regulations, amends for local (I.e. European differences) and has to let individual National Authorities do the implementation. This is because the EU is not a state in its own right.

As for good riddance, we share your sentiment 👋