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Old 28th Apr 2020, 12:34
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If you know anything about NetJets Europe management you must surely know that they are a bunch of greedy [email protected] getting rich at the expense of everyone else? Including the owners.There is a very long history of throwing any previous employment agreements straight in the bin whenever it suits them. Their employment model makes it very difficult indeed for anyone to challenge this. (Chance or by design?) Well I know.

How many of previous laid off pilots ever got re-employed? I would hazard a guess at none?

As a previous line pilot they are not at all interested in your circumstances. They will willingly throw you under a bus if it suits them so make no mistake....

I have witnessed their DOFO state to a Judge in Court that they are invincible, can do whatever they like, and there is no Juristiction on Earth that can touch them!

Well that didn't work out too well in the long run for them!

You have employment rights. I know. I put them there with this vile company. Portuguese Law will prevail. But only if you chase it.


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Old 2nd May 2020, 04:13
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I have heard rumors that somehow the cuts were not out of seniority order and that a couple of the union leaders knowingly voted for a package that included themselves in the furloughs/ redundancies/ whatever they are calling the job cuts. I asked about this on another board and the only person who had any idea said he or she wasn't allowed to say- weird for an anonymous message board, especially with so many cuts that it would be pretty hard to be know who spoke.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 07:52
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JTF, your information is correct.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 08:13
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I have heard rumors that somehow the cuts were not out of seniority.....
The bold bit confuses me. What do you mean by "not out of seniority"? Not according to seniority or according to seniority? I'm not sure the person who responded to you necessarily understood your question correctly either.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 09:42
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Outside of chopping the whole fleet (Falcon) it was seniority (lifo) by fleet requirement.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 14:32
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Everyone talks about the 'Berkshire Hathaway Money' as though it was some sort of security blanket. I suppose not. After advertising themselves as Alpha they have come up Beta, ready to be kicked around. The money is either not there or someone in the USA panicked. Does brand mean anything these days? If so Berkshire's will be in the gutter unless someone does something fast.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 16:05
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Imagine if BA would get rit off the A380's and fire all the 380 pilots irrespective of their seniority. That would be interesting....
Well at Netjets Europe this is possible.
Eventhough there is the CLA
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Old 2nd May 2020, 16:50
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Originally Posted by no nonsense View Post
Imagine if BA would get rit off the A380's and fire all the 380 pilots irrespective of their seniority. That would be interesting....
Well at Netjets Europe this is possible.
Eventhough there is the CLA
BA may well do exactly that.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 17:45
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BA are trying it, didn't you read about it on the respective thread? UK law sucks and basically allows it, if deviation from LIFO results in less lost jobs than sticking to a contractual seniority based redundancy policy.
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Old 3rd May 2020, 08:31
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That's exactly my point. They try but will never succeed....
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Old 5th May 2020, 11:26
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Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! View Post
BA are trying it, didn't you read about it on the respective thread? UK law sucks and basically allows it, if deviation from LIFO results in less lost jobs than sticking to a contractual seniority based redundancy policy.
Yes UK law sucks. So why don't you go to the French courts ? They have accepted claims from French ex-NJE pilots in the past.
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Old 16th May 2020, 20:52
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So it looks that all crew members are shafted by by both the company (Netjets) and Skyshare union (again).

Shame on you Netjets.

Shame on you worthless union.
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Old 17th May 2020, 11:03
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One needs to understand what power the union actually has.
They need to be consulted, and then the company can still go whatever route they want to go.
The union is not to blame here, not at all.
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Old 17th May 2020, 11:44
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The union is not to blame here, not at all.
If they are so powerless they shouldn't take their members money in the first place. Or at least tell them upon joining that the membership is useless.
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Old 17th May 2020, 12:34
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Sorry, but absolute bollox.
They achieved a lot in many other regards. Even during these unfortunate redundancies it was good to have the union in place.
The cost per year for the membership you can completely disregard, it is insignificant.
You simply can not judge it as an 'outsider'
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Old 17th May 2020, 13:42
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They achieved a lot in many other regards.
Maybe. But not this time. We were only about a month into this crisis when NJ already dumped one quarter od their staff. This is not how THE showcse company in our industry should behave. There are plenty of other ways to survive such a crisis economically. Lots of smaller and less financially stable companies have not laid off a single pilot yet. A union which stands in silence and lets this happen is, I repeat myself, totally useless. You must not be an company insider to understand that. The union must be there for you when it matters most. And this is when your job itself is in danger.

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Old 17th May 2020, 17:36
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Max,
I appreciate your Frustration.
But there is no logic to blame the Union, for something they absolutely do not have any power in.
Blame the management team but not the Union.
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Old 17th May 2020, 18:34
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Originally Posted by what next View Post
Hello!



Maybe. But not this time. We were only about a month into this crisis when NJ already dumped one quarter od their staff. This is not how THE showcse company in our industry should behave. There are plenty of other ways to survive such a crisis economically. Lots of smaller and less financially stable companies have not laid off a single pilot yet. A union which stands in silence and lets this happen is, I repeat myself, totally useless. You must not be an company insider to understand that. The union must be there for you when it matters most. And this is when your job itself is in danger.

Regards and goof luck
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Max, I often find myself agreeing wth you posts but not this time. Not at all. In the UK unions have very limited power. That's true for BALPA at BA, easyJet etc as well as for the union at NJE. Unions do not decide how many get fired. In the Uk they don't even help decide who is selected and why. They are only consulted. It's not a negotiation. If there is a redundancy policy in place it would normally(!) be expected to be followed but in these exceptional circumstances companies can probably get away with a lot, even in court. Unions in the UK can and do negotiate over pay, hours and holidays and they can go on strike for any of these as long as a majority of the membership has voted in favor in a postal ballot. So within that framework, and even beyond it, the union has been a great success and has earned the members (and non-members) their minimal union dues a hundred times over and more. But in this situation they are relatively powerless, unfortunately. That is not to say that not having a union would be better. The opposite is true. It's very important that there is a recognized union and a CBA especially because there are managers such as the one currently in charge at NJE.
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Old 17th May 2020, 19:18
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Well said 733driver.
I am completely fed up with the UK. I would love to see our company to move the contract out of this country.
Labour law is a joke really. Statutory pay laughable. The list goes on and on unfortunately.
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Old 17th May 2020, 19:57
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1 year too late for this. And no more curry in the near future for me, as it would create negative vibrations. The entire situation is shameful for Netjets and completely unnecessary, one or two top managers are completely destroying the morale, the heart and the soul of this company. They did not even try to mitigate the joblosses, it's a disgrace and unforgivable, owners are now aware of it.
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