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Dale Earnhardt, Jr, Cessna Citation C680 Latitude Crash

Old 15th Aug 2019, 21:36
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Dale Earnhardt, Jr, Cessna Citation C680 Latitude Crash

Article says all survived.

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/dale-ea...e-crash-nascar
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Word is the plane ran off the end of the runway - came to rest (crashed) on the highway.



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Who is Dale Earnhardt Jr?
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Overrun on landing runway 24, 4529 ft. X 70 ft.

Crash was around 1940Z, weather looked good:

K0A9 151935Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM SCT047 SCT055 BKN070 29/19 A2997 RMK AO2
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He's a NASCAR driver .
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Originally Posted by fatbus View Post
He's a NASCAR driver .
Actually, he was a NASCAR driver - now retired from driving and does TV commentary for NASCAR races.
He's planning a one-off drive this month as a tribute to his late father Dale Sr. - who was killed in the Daytona 500 race about 20 years ago.
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He's a NASCAR driver .
Please don't ask what NASCAR is.....
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That has to be the first crash of a Latitude, not too many flying yet.
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That has to be the first crash of a Latitude, not too many flying yet.
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The 200th Latitude was rolled out in April of this year:

Textron Aviation rolls out 200th Latitude
16 April, 2019
SOURCE: Flight International
BY: Kate Sarsfield
London
Textron Aviation has rolled out the 200th Cessna Citation Latitude, less than four years after the midsize business jet entered service.

The milestone was marked at a ceremony at the airframer's Wichita, Kansas headquarters on 15 April. The aircraft will now undergo interior outfitting and painting before being handed over later this year to the largest Latitude customer, NetJets.




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In pictures widely posted online it appears that the left thrust reverser is closed, the right one has separated from the tail pipe (possibly due to the fire) and the spoilers are down.




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Video of the evacuation and fire originally posted by Scott Reis on Facebook:

https://www.tennessean.com/videos/sp...ee/2024751001/
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
Video of the evacuation and fire originally posted by Scott Reis on Facebook:

https://www.tennessean.com/videos/sp...ee/2024751001/
Airframe on fire. Everyone just bimbling around the nose. Isn’t shock amazing?
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Originally Posted by Speed of Sound View Post
Who is Dale Earnhardt Jr?
It's a sport in North America where 250,000 people gather together at once to eat and drink as much beer as they can, and sometimes a car competition breaks out. It's called NASCAR - National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. is/was a driver who still can't decide whether he wants to live or he likes money, thus calling himself "semi-retired".

If you are wondering, there is, or rather, was Dale Earnhardt, Sr., also a NASCAR driver who died in 2001 in a racing collision. Dale Earnhardt's full name is Ralph Dale Earnhardt, but he couldn't be called Ralph, because Ralph Earnhardt is his grandfather, also a NASCAR driver. Dale, Jr. also has a brother Kerry, who is also a NASCAR driver. And nephew Jeff, who, surprisingly, is also a NASCAR driver. And a sister Kelley who is NOT a NASCAR driver but owns a NASCAR team.

You get the picture.
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From CNN.com...
"The jet crashed through a fence, the chief said. The airplane fuselage was wrapped with a portion on the fence when it came to a stop."If the fence had blocked the exit that could have been really bad," Carrier said during an evening news conference. "They were very lucky."
Is that what can be seen in the above photo?

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What is NASCAR?
It's a form of competitive driving in North America where competitors drive cars that look sporty but are in fact full-steel bodies with engines from Chevrolet 3100 and brakes made from milk bottle caps... and a 400g panel on the roof that is believed to prevent the 2-ton car from flipping over in a collision. (Don't laugh! They still believe eating before swimming will give you cramps...) The goal of the sport for drivers is to make as many left turns as they can, make at least $50 million per year and survive, and for the fans to get drunk and predict the number of crashes each race will have.
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Who is Dale Earnhardt Jr?
A redneck worshiped by millions of NASCAR crazies with MAGA hats!😎
Perhaps intimidated his pilots to take this brand new high performance jet into an airport (0A9) that is barely OK for a small prop aircraft.
(1600’ altitude and about 4500’ long runway, with a displaced threshold, surrounded by high terrain.)
Not sure if he owned this jet or chartered?
Either way, a lot of low time inexperienced 135/91 pilots are intimidated to fly into these small airports because it is convenient for the owner or renter!

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Left turns?

Sounds Socialist :
Lots of noise, going no-were fast, in circles!
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Originally Posted by 787PIC View Post

Perhaps intimidated his pilots to take this brand new high performance jet into an airport (0A9) that is barely OK for a small prop aircraft.
(1600’ altitude and about 4500’ long runway, surrounded by high terrain.)
Not sure if he owned this jet or chartered?


I disagree. Yes, it's quite short but no too short.

R24 LDA 4100 feet.
R06 LDA 4432 feet.

Typical landing mass for a Latitude with two pilots and three pax and about 2000lbs of fuel would be about 20000 to 22500 lbs. 5000lbs below max structural landing mass.

R06 at 0A9 airport has a GPS approach (LNAV only). The minima are high but the weather was just about perfect.

Not sure why they landed on 24. Probably came from the east?

LDR for the conditions above: 2400 feet, unfactored, Vref 99 knots. If there is one thing the Latitude is good at it's short fields.

FAR landing field length would be less than 4000 feet. So even if part 135, no issues. On either runway.

Actual, unfactored LDR at max landing mass (if tankering for example) is still less than 2800 feet. Ref 108 knots.

All data is A/T off.

There is more to the story. Either they were way too fast and/or touched down way too late or they had a brake failure or something else happened

We will find out, I hope

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Originally Posted by 733driver View Post
I disagree. Yes, it's quite short but no too short.

R24 LDA 4100 feet.
R06 LDA 4432 feet.

Typical landing mass for a Latitude with two pilots and three pax and about 2000lbs of fuel would be about 20000 to 22500 lbs. 5000lbs below max structural landing mass.

R06 at 0A9 airport has a GPS approach (LNAV only). The minima are high but the weather was just about perfect.

Not sure why they landed on 24. Probably came from the east?

LDR for the conditions above: 2400 feet, unfactored, Vref 99 knots. If there is one thing the Latitude is good at it's short fields.

FAR landing field length would be less than 4000 feet. So even if part 135, no issues. On either runway.

Actual, unfactored LDR at max landing mass (if tankering for example) is still less than 2800 feet. Ref 108 knots.

All data is A/T off.

There is more to the story. Either they were way too fast and/or touched down way too late or they had a brake failure or something else happened

We will find out, I hope
Thanks for the information. I'm not familiar with the performance of the Cessna C680 Latitude, but the LDR figures you cited seem to be those for sea level standard day conditions. The elevation of the runway at Elizabethton, OA9, is about 1560 ft. MSL, and it could be reasonably anticipated that the outside air temperature at the time of the landing would have been in the 85-90° Fahrenheit range. My rough guesstimate of the LDR at those conditions would have been around 3800 ft. That would've been pretty tight. Anyway, I'm probably incorrect here, but did your LDR figures take into account the field elevation and air temperature?

On another note, would it have been possible that they landed at the wrong airport? Tri Cities Airport (KTRI) is about 13 miles NW of OA9, with a runway length of about 8,000 feet. The runway headings are similar, with the runway orientation at OA9 being 060/240 and the orientation at KTRI's main runway being 050/230. It's happened before, so I guess that it is a possibility. As something else to consider concerning this theory, KTRI is about 12 road miles from the Bristol Race track, and OA9 is about 14 road miles from the Race track.

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