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Exactly. You just cannot know when the passenger will show up. If you are not outside of the terminal waiting for the passengers with the plane ready to go at least at eobt -30 you are not doing your job right. And we all know how long it takes to sort out catering, newspapers, toilet service, fuel, etc.
What's your problem? Show-time is show-time. If your employer briefs you to show up at ETD-45, then you do that and if you depart with delay then that is the problem of the operator, not yours.
On the other hand it is not a big problem to prepare an aircraft in a few minutes. For a ferry flight you can easily show up 45 minutes before ETD, if you are in the right location, if you have fuel loaded and if all crew members are fully aware of what they need to do to make it happen. No, there won't be much time for a cup of coffee and this kind of nonsense: collect your paperwork, go to the plane, prepare the thing, start up and go.
On the other hand it is not a big problem to prepare an aircraft in a few minutes. For a ferry flight you can easily show up 45 minutes before ETD, if you are in the right location, if you have fuel loaded and if all crew members are fully aware of what they need to do to make it happen. No, there won't be much time for a cup of coffee and this kind of nonsense: collect your paperwork, go to the plane, prepare the thing, start up and go.
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The sad truth, true for any company using this nonsense reporting time is that it's a not so subtle way to skirt the FTL legislation. The crew is still expected to show up in whatever time is considered necessary to get the job done, which is surely more than 60 minutes in all passenger flights.
It goes without saying that it can take as little as 15 minutes to get everything done for a ferry flight on a plane that is refuelled, but that's not what we are talking about.
The trouble is that the 'Employer' may say report ETD-45, but when the aircraft owner turns up and it isn't ready to go, it is he (or she) that will fire you, not the 'employer'/management company.
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40 mins might work in cargo ops, but won’t work with lowcost passengers or business jets.
Ryanair has the same but I guarantee you the FO at least will be in the airport at least eobt -60 if not earlier, not a secret. Green light for boarding is what, -35? Let’s be serious please.
Business jets pilots will be atb the airport even earlier than -60, and I speak by experience
Ryanair has the same but I guarantee you the FO at least will be in the airport at least eobt -60 if not earlier, not a secret. Green light for boarding is what, -35? Let’s be serious please.
Business jets pilots will be atb the airport even earlier than -60, and I speak by experience
But ok, I am not familiar with bizjets so I stay in my position.
If you need more show-time then ask for it. I know, maybe we are privileged to do this in our OPS, although me and more than 100 colleagues just endured a rough year with lost jobs and an unexpected return.
The problem is: there are a lot of back-stabbers - if you do not do the job according to the owner's demands, even while being illegal (cheating on duty time), somebody else will do it. I wish we ALL could stick together and create a much better place for everyone where nobody would try to undercut somebody else. It's just a dream, it will never happen, I am aware of this.
Back to the question a few posts before this one: I think you can do a short show, but then everything needs to be organized: take the fuel the day before, be sure that the paperwork is ready to be collected (call FBO before leaving hotel), start your briefing on the way to the airport, delegate work to get everything done smoothly and quickly without missing items. The main threat of short shows is that you may lose sight of important things and it might bite you at some point. It is only possible with an experienced crew that understands the task.
And, of course: for a revenue flight you cannot turn up less than 60 or 75 minutes before ETD. Stand together and get this time on record. Report your company if they continue to cheat.
The problem is: there are a lot of back-stabbers - if you do not do the job according to the owner's demands, even while being illegal (cheating on duty time), somebody else will do it. I wish we ALL could stick together and create a much better place for everyone where nobody would try to undercut somebody else. It's just a dream, it will never happen, I am aware of this.
Back to the question a few posts before this one: I think you can do a short show, but then everything needs to be organized: take the fuel the day before, be sure that the paperwork is ready to be collected (call FBO before leaving hotel), start your briefing on the way to the airport, delegate work to get everything done smoothly and quickly without missing items. The main threat of short shows is that you may lose sight of important things and it might bite you at some point. It is only possible with an experienced crew that understands the task.
And, of course: for a revenue flight you cannot turn up less than 60 or 75 minutes before ETD. Stand together and get this time on record. Report your company if they continue to cheat.
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If I may bring the subject back to my question, does anyone have any info on this. Thanks all 
Evening all,
Does anyone have any up to date info on the interview process for VJ? Looking to apply under 'general consideration' and want to know what to expect if and when I get a call. not expecting anything this side of next year of course, but info in the back of the head will help!
Thanks,
CloudChopper
Does anyone have any up to date info on the interview process for VJ? Looking to apply under 'general consideration' and want to know what to expect if and when I get a call. not expecting anything this side of next year of course, but info in the back of the head will help!
Thanks,
CloudChopper
They may not be the slickest at recruitment pre-pandemic let alone now.
Several year before COVID, I applied to Vista with 2000 hours on Challenger 300 and never got a reply. I’m not the only one from what I’ve heard.
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Thanks, and sorry to hear that. Any other recommendations to companies that are good to work for? Take care!
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Don't be mean. You don't know EMS. He's a good guy. He has a spine though and is not easily intimidated by his employer. It's not because of people trying to win a popularity contest that NetJets is the far better place to work at than Vista. Our show times are realistic and yes we would report the company if they tried to pull such a stunt on us. They know it, too. It's nothing personal.
I even passed and got told to await induction instructions in a couple of days ... Still waiting ten years later! And I had no need to chase them, rated as I was.
As for passing it, it can't be hard as several of the folk I know who have been failed, fired, grossly incompetent or basically unemployable, ended up at VJ (not to say, that applies to everyone, of course not)
As for passing it, it can't be hard as several of the folk I know who have been failed, fired, grossly incompetent or basically unemployable, ended up at VJ (not to say, that applies to everyone, of course not)
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Does anyone know the current economic conditions of Vistajet and if it is true that they do not have vacations?! Could someone show me a roster example? Is it always 17/13? Thank you
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Dear,
The latest updated information: pilotjobsnetwork/VistaJet, but I'm not sure about these salaries, vacations...
Mandatory requirements:
The latest updated information: pilotjobsnetwork/VistaJet, but I'm not sure about these salaries, vacations...
Mandatory requirements:
- Minimum 1000 hours total time
- Valid PART FCL F-ATPL or ATPL
- Valid PART FCL Medical (Class 1)
- English Level 6
- Right to live and work in the EU
- Valid appropriate Type Rating on the Citation XLS aircraft
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Friend of mine started a couple of years ago on the 850 and at the moment he's on 80%, started on that so not sure if it will go up. 17/13 roster and annual leave taken only on the 13 off