Pilot Shortages ?
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Pilot Shortages ?
I keep hearing more and more lately about pilot shortages in the corporate world.
Does anyone believe it can level out soon again or get worse as airlines continue to expand and provide greater career stability longer term than the corporate jobs do
Where are these shortages and in which types now and more importantly in the future. light, mid or large cabin ?
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Does anyone believe it can level out soon again or get worse as airlines continue to expand and provide greater career stability longer term than the corporate jobs do
Where are these shortages and in which types now and more importantly in the future. light, mid or large cabin ?
Thanks for any replies
There are certainly such allegations about a "shortage" here in the USA but I'm not sure what segment of corporate flying is affected. We have individual-owner Part 91, corporate-owner Part 91, Part 135 charter and fractional Part 91K. The airline hiring would appear to be drawing at least some pilots from the corporate world. How many ? Dunno...
I don't know enough about this area of aviation to comment. Maybe someone who does know will comment.
https://www.flyingmag.com/pilot-shor...iness-aviation
I don't know enough about this area of aviation to comment. Maybe someone who does know will comment.
https://www.flyingmag.com/pilot-shor...iness-aviation
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There seams to be a shortage of first officers. Many first officers has been working for years on nice corporate jets only flying a few hours a month. They can see their upgrade are still years away, and are finding better opportunities with the airlines. Others that meet the requirements for upgrading will not change operator in hopes on internal upgrading, unless a new employer will hirer them for the left seat. In all cases the coporete sector are loosing first officers.
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I keep hearing more and more lately about pilot shortages in the corporate world.
Does anyone believe it can level out soon again or get worse as airlines continue to expand and provide greater career stability longer term than the corporate jobs do
Where are these shortages and in which types now and more importantly in the future. light, mid or large cabin ?
Thanks for any replies
Does anyone believe it can level out soon again or get worse as airlines continue to expand and provide greater career stability longer term than the corporate jobs do
Where are these shortages and in which types now and more importantly in the future. light, mid or large cabin ?
Thanks for any replies
We [EASA] have f.ex. a charter A/C (light jet) in the company that is grounded about every second week bc not enough crew to sustain complete coverage. sales would charter it out non stop if they could.
in this example the company seems to rather prefer to lose money than investing in a type rating and some line training for a rookie pilot. Instead they are waiting for a rated & experienced FO that prob. will never show up.
That is not an issue on light jets only. Finding suitable FO candiates for GV is also not easy as long as nobody is willing to invest in type ratings.
To answer your question: Can be leveled out easily. Somebody just has to open its purse.
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there are enough pilots in general, just not enough that fulfill the "requirements" of the operators.
We [EASA] have f.ex. a charter A/C (light jet) in the company that is grounded about every second week bc not enough crew to sustain complete coverage. sales would charter it out non stop if they could.
in this example the company seems to rather prefer to lose money than investing in a type rating and some line training for a rookie pilot. Instead they are waiting for a rated & experienced FO that prob. will never show up.
That is not an issue on light jets only. Finding suitable FO candiates for GV is also not easy as long as nobody is willing to invest in type ratings.
To answer your question: Can be leveled out easily. Somebody just has to open its purse.
We [EASA] have f.ex. a charter A/C (light jet) in the company that is grounded about every second week bc not enough crew to sustain complete coverage. sales would charter it out non stop if they could.
in this example the company seems to rather prefer to lose money than investing in a type rating and some line training for a rookie pilot. Instead they are waiting for a rated & experienced FO that prob. will never show up.
That is not an issue on light jets only. Finding suitable FO candiates for GV is also not easy as long as nobody is willing to invest in type ratings.
To answer your question: Can be leveled out easily. Somebody just has to open its purse.
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there are enough pilots in general, just not enough that fulfill the "requirements" of the operators.
We [EASA] have f.ex. a charter A/C (light jet) in the company that is grounded about every second week bc not enough crew to sustain complete coverage. sales would charter it out non stop if they could.
in this example the company seems to rather prefer to lose money than investing in a type rating and some line training for a rookie pilot. Instead they are waiting for a rated & experienced FO that prob. will never show up.
That is not an issue on light jets only. Finding suitable FO candiates for GV is also not easy as long as nobody is willing to invest in type ratings.
To answer your question: Can be leveled out easily. Somebody just has to open its purse.
We [EASA] have f.ex. a charter A/C (light jet) in the company that is grounded about every second week bc not enough crew to sustain complete coverage. sales would charter it out non stop if they could.
in this example the company seems to rather prefer to lose money than investing in a type rating and some line training for a rookie pilot. Instead they are waiting for a rated & experienced FO that prob. will never show up.
That is not an issue on light jets only. Finding suitable FO candiates for GV is also not easy as long as nobody is willing to invest in type ratings.
To answer your question: Can be leveled out easily. Somebody just has to open its purse.
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Hopefully things are changing regarding type-ratings. I was made redundant at the end of last year. Even though I had 8000 hours total and 6500 on biz jets I couldn’t get a lookin without the right type. The type I had was the Falcon 900EX (classic) which was regarded as old. In the end I applied to an airline. They were so eager they practically ripped my arm off ( and paid for my 737 rating)!
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Hopefully things are changing regarding type-ratings. I was made redundant at the end of last year. Even though I had 8000 hours total and 6500 on biz jets I couldn’t get a lookin without the right type. The type I had was the Falcon 900EX (classic) which was regarded as old. In the end I applied to an airline. They were so eager they practically ripped my arm off ( and paid for my 737 rating)!
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Many employers are like horses with blinkers on - they cant see much further ahead than the immediate road they are plodding along on. They (employers) are also I suspect praying for some return of global recession that would return the employment market back in their favour when considering terms and conditions, whilst also hoping it does not affect their own business in any way and that they can take full advantage of the employment market again.
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It seems so dated to hire pilots on hours and not landings. Corporate world regularly fly three or four sectors a day and only put in five or six hours but quality hours. Bigger jets = bigger wages, makes sense I guess but it’s not long before less pilots are needed on the airliners and the guys flying will all be sat in an office. “Never gonna happen” I hear people say but if you’d said you don’t need a navigator or flight engineer in the 70’s people would’ve thought you were mad.
Advertise an FO position and you’ll have hundreds of applicants in minutes, requirements will change and everyone will keep flying but maybe those low hour wannabes paying for type ratings can keep their money for the next few years.
Advertise an FO position and you’ll have hundreds of applicants in minutes, requirements will change and everyone will keep flying but maybe those low hour wannabes paying for type ratings can keep their money for the next few years.
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and is properly motivated.
Think what the world would be like if everyone just stuck to their guns and refused to pay for a type rating?
I can assure you that ANY aircraft owner that owns an aircraft requiring a type rating can afford to pay for that type rating for the right individual - if they can't then they actually can't afford their toy...
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I recently heard that someone had applied for a job with us. He was offered 7/5. He said that he could not accept that. He then got a call saying OK we will give you full time. He went to Jet2 in the end, I think. Good luck to him!
