Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Biz Jets, Ag Flying, GA etc.
Reload this Page >

Greenville,SC Falcon 50 crash

Biz Jets, Ag Flying, GA etc. The place for discussion of issues related to corporate, Ag and GA aviation. If you're a professional pilot and don't fly for the airlines then try here.

Greenville,SC Falcon 50 crash

Old 29th Sep 2018, 20:38
  #21 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: UK
Age: 58
Posts: 317
Originally Posted by His dudeness View Post
No experience with the FAA database whatsoever, how often/quickly is the database updated ? Suppose the dude was on the sim, say 3 weeks ago, would that be shown in the DB already ?
I recently did a type rating and ATP check ride; they took around four weeks to show on the database [edit to add] however thanks to the wonder that is IACRA, I would have thought the fact of his having passed a type rating would be immediately available to those compiling a report in such circumstances.

Last edited by Sepp; 29th Sep 2018 at 20:58. Reason: Additional text.
Sepp is offline  
Old 30th Sep 2018, 14:29
  #22 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 448
The captain's medical date is shown in the FAA database as Aug 2018:





Copilot - note the absence of an IFR rating:

Zeffy is offline  
Old 30th Sep 2018, 15:00
  #23 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Laredo, TX
Posts: 121
Would the co-pilot need an instrument rating if the flight was under part 91?
jimtx is offline  
Old 30th Sep 2018, 18:50
  #24 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Stuttgart, AR
Posts: 21
Yes, if they were on an instrument flight plan.
rickseeman is offline  
Old 30th Sep 2018, 20:19
  #25 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 448
Air America Flight Services

We offer Charter, Maintenance, Management and acquisition services in order to have the capabilities to encompass all of the needs of our customers.
Zeffy is offline  
Old 1st Oct 2018, 00:54
  #26 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: California
Posts: 292
The FAA ATPL implicitly includes an Instrument Rating. A separate IR is not shown on the license.
MarcK is online now  
Old 1st Oct 2018, 01:12
  #27 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 448
Copilot Instrument Rating

Originally Posted by MarcK View Post
The FAA ATPL implicitly includes an Instrument Rating. A separate IR is not shown on the license.
Yes, of course.

However that is not the case for an FAA PPL - apparently held by the copilot.

Zeffy is offline  
Old 1st Oct 2018, 02:21
  #28 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: California
Posts: 292
The copilot is not PIC, so doesn't need an Instrument Rating. (of course, the pilot isn't rated to be PIC either, but that's part of the problem)
MarcK is online now  
Old 1st Oct 2018, 03:04
  #29 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Airport
Posts: 10
Apparently the pilot had the rating the copilot should have had - DA50 SIC privileges only. Note this was a early aircraft, serial number 17 and probably not worth more than a few hundred thousand dollars. There has to be more to this sad story.
twincommander is offline  
Old 1st Oct 2018, 12:56
  #30 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: South Alabama
Age: 70
Posts: 322
Info

Originally Posted by MarcK View Post
The copilot is not PIC, so doesn't need an Instrument Rating. (of course, the pilot isn't rated to be PIC either, but that's part of the problem)
61.55 Second-in-command qualifications.
(a) A person may serve as a second-in-command of an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember or in operations requiring a second-in-command pilot flight crewmember only if that person holds1) At least a private pilot certificate with the appropriate category and class rating; and(2) An instrument rating or privilege that applies to the aircraft being flown if the flight is under IFR; and(3) At least a pilot type rating for the aircraft being flown unless the flight will be conducted as domestic flight operations within the United States airspace.
Old Boeing Driver is offline  
Old 1st Oct 2018, 14:53
  #31 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Airport
Posts: 10
About time someone pulled up 61.55. Also note that the aircraft was RVSM approved and thus operating at the upper flight levels.
twincommander is offline  
Old 2nd Oct 2018, 02:53
  #32 (permalink)  
Longtimelurker
 
Join Date: Nov 1998
Location: killington Vt
Posts: 380
https://www.wspa.com/news/new-detail...ort/1490880802

This should confirm some of the above speculation. Who needs a license 🤓
filejw is offline  
Old 2nd Oct 2018, 15:56
  #33 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Laredo, TX
Posts: 121
That WSPA article has been updated and no longer has any reference to the pilots' qualifications.
jimtx is offline  
Old 3rd Oct 2018, 00:07
  #34 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: ._..._...
Posts: 297
Might be worth noting (1st hand knowledge), the PIC was fired from a a G-1159 job a few years back when CP found out he had lied about his hours and experience...
vee1-rotate is offline  
Old 3rd Oct 2018, 01:06
  #35 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: South Alabama
Age: 70
Posts: 322
Here's a video of the actual crash. He was going pretty fast off the end.

https://www.wyff4.com/article/exclus...rport/23570549
Old Boeing Driver is offline  
Old 3rd Oct 2018, 05:28
  #36 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: usa
Posts: 58
Originally Posted by Old Boeing Driver View Post
Here's a video of the actual crash. He was going pretty fast off the end.

https://www.wyff4.com/article/exclus...rport/23570549
..Appears to be trailing smoke also, as they go off the end..

Last edited by B-757; 3rd Oct 2018 at 05:46.
B-757 is offline  
Old 3rd Oct 2018, 11:48
  #37 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: UK
Age: 58
Posts: 317
Unfortunately the wyff4 video is not available in UK.

LiveLeak version for interested parties this side of the pond: Greenville FA-50 crash - LiveLeak
Sepp is offline  
Old 3rd Oct 2018, 13:41
  #38 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: South Alabama
Age: 70
Posts: 322
Landing Roll

Originally Posted by B-757 View Post
..Appears to be trailing smoke also, as they go off the end..
Just after the video starts, there is a flash under the wing. They may have used the emergency brake, which has no anti-skid.

I think it had an FDR and VR installed.
Old Boeing Driver is offline  
Old 4th Oct 2018, 06:41
  #39 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: UK
Posts: 134
Originally Posted by Old Boeing Driver View Post
Just after the video starts, there is a flash under the wing. They may have used the emergency brake, which has no anti-skid.

I think it had an FDR and VR installed.

I think the flash was the wingtip making contact with the runway.
Hawker 800 is offline  
Old 5th Oct 2018, 06:56
  #40 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: all over the place
Age: 59
Posts: 514
Seems to be about 40kts too fast to me ON the runway. And regarding 91/135? If you knew the truth about what goes on in these organisations you would live in a bunker undergound. There are NOT enough FAA inspectors or FISDO to cope. Each inspector has many, many organisations to oversee and favors are rife to decrease the workload...Sorry, but it is completely true so don't come back with your whinging.
pilotbear is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.