Greenville,SC Falcon 50 crash

[Sepp]

Originally Posted by His dudeness

No experience with the FAA database whatsoever, how often/quickly is the database updated ? Suppose the dude was on the sim, say 3 weeks ago, would that be shown in the DB already ?

I recently did a type rating and ATP check ride; they took around four weeks to show on the database [edit to add] however thanks to the wonder that is IACRA, I would have thought the fact of his having passed a type rating would be immediately available to those compiling a report in such circumstances.

[Zeffy]

The captain's medical date is shown in the FAA database as Aug 2018:





Copilot - note the absence of an IFR rating:

[jimtx]

Would the co-pilot need an instrument rating if the flight was under part 91?

[rickseeman]

Yes, if they were on an instrument flight plan.

[Zeffy]

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[MarcK]

The FAA ATPL implicitly includes an Instrument Rating. A separate IR is not shown on the license.

[Zeffy]

Copilot Instrument Rating

Originally Posted by MarcK

The FAA ATPL implicitly includes an Instrument Rating. A separate IR is not shown on the license.

Yes, of course.

However that is not the case for an FAA PPL - apparently held by the copilot.

[MarcK]

The copilot is not PIC, so doesn't need an Instrument Rating. (of course, the pilot isn't rated to be PIC either, but that's part of the problem)

[twincommander]

Apparently the pilot had the rating the copilot should have had - DA50 SIC privileges only. Note this was a early aircraft, serial number 17 and probably not worth more than a few hundred thousand dollars. There has to be more to this sad story.

[Old Boeing Driver]

Info

Originally Posted by MarcK

The copilot is not PIC, so doesn't need an Instrument Rating. (of course, the pilot isn't rated to be PIC either, but that's part of the problem)

§ 61.55 Second-in-command qualifications.

(a) A person may serve as a second-in-command of an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember or in operations requiring a second-in-command pilot flight crewmember only if that person holds1) At least a private pilot certificate with the appropriate category and class rating; and(2) An instrument rating or privilege that applies to the aircraft being flown if the flight is under IFR; and(3) At least a pilot type rating for the aircraft being flown unless the flight will be conducted as domestic flight operations within the United States airspace.

[twincommander]

About time someone pulled up 61.55. Also note that the aircraft was RVSM approved and thus operating at the upper flight levels.

[filejw]

https://www.wspa.com/news/new-detail...ort/1490880802

This should confirm some of the above speculation. Who needs a license 🤓

[jimtx]

That WSPA article has been updated and no longer has any reference to the pilots' qualifications.

[vee1-rotate]

Might be worth noting (1st hand knowledge), the PIC was fired from a a G-1159 job a few years back when CP found out he had lied about his hours and experience...

[Old Boeing Driver]

Here's a video of the actual crash. He was going pretty fast off the end.

https://www.wyff4.com/article/exclus...rport/23570549

[B-757]

Originally Posted by Old Boeing Driver

Here's a video of the actual crash. He was going pretty fast off the end.

https://www.wyff4.com/article/exclus...rport/23570549

..Appears to be trailing smoke also, as they go off the end..

[Sepp]

Unfortunately the wyff4 video is not available in UK.

LiveLeak version for interested parties this side of the pond: Greenville FA-50 crash - LiveLeak

[Old Boeing Driver]

Landing Roll

Originally Posted by B-757

..Appears to be trailing smoke also, as they go off the end..

Just after the video starts, there is a flash under the wing. They may have used the emergency brake, which has no anti-skid.

I think it had an FDR and VR installed.

[Hawker 800]

Originally Posted by Old Boeing Driver

Just after the video starts, there is a flash under the wing. They may have used the emergency brake, which has no anti-skid.

I think it had an FDR and VR installed.

I think the flash was the wingtip making contact with the runway.

[pilotbear]

Seems to be about 40kts too fast to me ON the runway. And regarding 91/135? If you knew the truth about what goes on in these organisations you would live in a bunker undergound. There are NOT enough FAA inspectors or FISDO to cope. Each inspector has many, many organisations to oversee and favors are rife to decrease the workload...Sorry, but it is completely true so don't come back with your whinging.