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European Corporate Pilot Shortage ?

Old 13th Sep 2018, 20:34
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European Corporate Pilot Shortage ?

So, is this a legit thing ?:

“Colibri Aircraft says around 7 in 10 sales it works on encounters difficulties in being able to guarantee sufficient access to a pilot or crew. Five years ago, only around 20% of cases Colibri Aircraft worked on was affected by this problem.“

https://corporatejetinvestor.com/art...-private-jets/

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...aft-sa-451876/

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Old 13th Sep 2018, 23:04
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Poor bastards! 😂
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 10:14
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In my opinion, the problem is definately not the Pilot shortage in the Business Aviation sector.
The problem is the reluctance of owners and operators to spend money for type ratings to suitable candidates.
Everybody is looking for rated guys. But if no rated Pilot is searching for a job or willing to change because he or she is happy with his/her current position the operators speak about Pilot shortage.
I am sure there is more than enough Pilots available and willing to change for a bigger/better aircraft or better contract. So pay them nicely and pay for a Rating.
Easy as it is.
Just my 5 cents.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 11:13
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[...] So pay them nicely and pay for a Rating.
Working conditions are also a reason why crews rather join an airline operation than a corporate company.
Of course they are also not always stable, but certainly a more stable environment than the GA sector.
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Old 16th Sep 2018, 14:52
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...well after 20 years of flying I'm not sure I have experienced 'pilot shortage,' - I've experienced pay for your type, pay for your laundry, pay for your renewal, pay for your flights to an interview - in an operation who are short of pilots. I can't remember when I last saw an ad for NTR Gulfstream /Bombardier/ Daz-aux , pilots required for an operation ( where I can go home every couple of weeks). Wouldn't mind swapping my type for something where there are more than 67 left flying - I suffer from plane shortage ! So when this gig goes bang as we all know they do sooner or later, then what.... Sitting unemployed listening to pilot shortage articles zzzz
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Old 16th Sep 2018, 20:39
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It's not yet a pilot shortage, but I think that the job shortage is over. Two years ago inexperienced licensed pilots in Europe would have done anything to secure a first job, even paying for it.
Now newbies can definitely find a job and have their rating paid.
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 11:52
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+1 that most operators advertise for TR'ed crews
Unfortunately I was trying to get in, but nevertheless you have double thoughts about operators that prefer not to pay their pilots their initial training.
If they are cheap on that, will they keep maintenance standards high enough!?
Will they hire supporting services and enough staff or will it be a 24/7/365 thing?
So eventually some of us change our aim towards airlines.
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 13:25
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There is no shortage of pilots, only shortage of good contracts and T&Cs. If there will ever be a pilot shortage (Europe) the solution is easy - offer above average T&Cs with a proper pension plan and budget for extra crew to cover planned leave for your crew and there will not be any issues filling the seats. Another thing, stop recruiting type ratings and start recruiting the right people.

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Old 18th Sep 2018, 20:56
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Some business jet operators do pay for the type rating. It's not out of pure generosity: they bond the pilot by contract to stay at their service for some time.
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 22:43
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Well, three types on my licence at the moment, all paid by those I fly for, no bonds at all, ever. I have one class rating I pay for, though I charge $450 a day for the odd bit of work I do on it, but its mostly for fun.

Id say: get clever, be bold, do deals. If we all did that, wed all be happier and wealthier. But there are many who arent clever, or bold, or capable of doing deals.
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 23:23
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I'm the worst negotiator/bargainer I've ever met. I'll admit it.
Maybe that has been one of the reasons why I was slower than others when it came to career progression.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 11:52
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definitely correct , recruit people, not the type rating.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 18:51
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Are things really getting this tight in the USA ? "Recruiting" airline pilots to the corp world ?


https://www.nbaa.org/prodev/workforc...ine-pilots.php
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