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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 12:40
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Anyone that has been through the last selection process fancy shedding some light on the “crew capacity test”

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Old 16th Oct 2018, 13:03
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No idea what it is. The word 'Eagle' gets banded about. Sorry, can't help more than that
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 15:09
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If there is any NJE pilot who is using VIE (LOWW) as gateway and is willing to answer a couple of my questions please PM me. I would appreciate that very much.
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 16:09
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NJE is a strange one. Personally, I'd love to work for them but the salary just doesn't cut it. When they opened up recruitment I seriously considered applying and I currently have command in a UK based LOCO.
They can't preach to want to recruit 'the best' and offer such poor pay scales.
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 20:54
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Out of interest, what salary are they offering new hires ?
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 00:10
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First Officer (FO): EUR 58,500 - until the completion of 24 months of
employment, EUR 66,300 onwards

As mentioned on the other thread?
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 11:10
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You’re right seven3heaven!

when I started my flight training, NJE was the company I wanted to work for one day!
They are happily taking the experience, actually asking if you have NAT/ETOPS/VIP experience!

I don’t mind sitting in the right seat of a Phenom 300, but at least pay me according to my previous experience.

Sounds like a job for young pilots with the required minimum of hours.
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 16:52
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Cool A pilots job

10 years of great adventure. I left to try something different. Was it perfect? Never is. Mostly good people- band of brothers. 6/5 party time! If you're up for an adventure and good times, go for it! You'll be a very complete pilot, no airline bordeom. Salary if you can live in eastern or southern europe - party! Don`t know whether they still use the "gateways".
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Old 5th Nov 2018, 09:34
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Gateways are still used, but the French and Belgium ones have gone
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Old 5th Nov 2018, 09:38
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 10:50
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Any NJE pilot with experience with paying Social Security in Austria PM pls. Highly appreciated.
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Old 9th Nov 2018, 07:19
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Netjets vs airlines

A question at the Netjets pilots:

After a carreer at the airforce I’m ready to transition to civil aviation. My main reasons to leave the airforce are work-life balance and stability.
Having the choice between Netjets and a LCC, what would you recommend me to do?
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Old 9th Nov 2018, 08:00
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LCC all day long.

Rapid upgrade and the RHS income at pretty much any LCC will far exceed NJE
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Old 9th Nov 2018, 09:01
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Yes, the aggregated long term difference in salary would be enormous. Home every night too (more or less), for the work/life balance.

Biz jet operators really need to do something about the pay levels. Only in the US is VIP/corporate now a sensible career choice.
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Old 9th Nov 2018, 10:19
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Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi View Post
Yes, the aggregated long term difference in salary would be enormous. Home every night too (more or less), for the work/life balance.

Biz jet operators really need to do something about the pay levels. Only in the US is VIP/corporate now a sensible career choice.
Actually it’s not. There is an enormous exodus of talent leaving biz jets going to the airlines in the US (similar to what’s heppening in Europe, only to a larger extent) and the brain drain currently happening is a major issue in regards to safety in that part of the industry. Even a career at a ULLC like Spirit offers a better career short- and longterm. Some biz jet operators ​​​are aware of this and try to catch up, but they keep falling short. And, it’s not only about money, it’s about QOL with number of days off per month, some control over your schedule and job security. A newly minted, young pilot in the US would be a fool to look at a long term career in the biz jet side of aviation versus going 121. Best is to quickly get on with a regional carrier, build up your hours and as soon as meeting the requirements apply to the majors.

Bear in mind, I’m a the biz jet pilot myself so I’m not writing this as a 121 pilot recruiter, just relaying what’s going on in the US side of the pond. I have a green card but as I have no intention of moving back to the US I’m staying at my rotational BBJ gig.
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Old 9th Nov 2018, 11:17
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Originally Posted by FlyTCI View Post
There is an enormous exodus of talent leaving biz jets going to the airlines in the US (similar to what’s heppening in Europe, only to a larger extent) and the brain drain currently happening is a major issue in regards to safety in that part of the industry. Some biz jet operators ​​​are aware of this and try to catch up, but they keep falling short.
FlyTCI,

That's the impression I've gotten from the bits & pieces I read about biz av in the US. The question I have is whether the owners are willing to abandon the luxury of corporate airplanes rather than do (pay) what it takes to attract and retain the desired level of pilots and talent.

Is there a central clearinghouse of accurate info about how the biz av industry is actually dealing with this vs commentary about what they're thinking ?
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Old 9th Nov 2018, 11:32
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Originally Posted by bafanguy View Post
FlyTCI,
That's the impression I've gotten from the bits & pieces I read about biz av in the US. The question I have is whether the owners are willing to abandon the luxury of corporate airplanes rather than do (pay) what it takes to attract and retain the desired level of pilots and talent.
Meanwhile, here in Europe I´m very uneasy about the growth of RyanAir & the like, who in fact are about to dislocate business-aviation. Not been able to park at EGPH overnight (just as an example), airportslots left and right and atc slots massively increasing PLUS the political nuts in the CO2 camp will strangle this part of the business to an extend a pilot shortage will never be able to.

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Old 9th Nov 2018, 12:25
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Originally Posted by bafanguy View Post
FlyTCI,

That's the impression I've gotten from the bits & pieces I read about biz av in the US. The question I have is whether the owners are willing to abandon the luxury of corporate airplanes rather than do (pay) what it takes to attract and retain the desired level of pilots and talent.

Is there a central clearinghouse of accurate info about how the biz av industry is actually dealing with this vs commentary about what they're thinking ?
There are various companies/organizations out there publishing annual pay guidelines, some better than others, but often they are off (on the low side) of what it would take to attract someone to not go 121.

I’m member of a US based pilot web forum whose members were probably 95% corporate pilots a couple of years ago. Over the last two years a very high number of them, even those flying G’s, Globals, BBJs and so on are crowding the exit doors to “start over” as FOs on everything from the ULLC’s to SWA, the legacy carriers and UPS/FedEx. Due to many of them having been long time in the biz jet part of aviation there’s a wealth of knowledge of just about every biz jet operator out there, and hence it’s quite easy to find out what various operators are offering and when they improve conditions.

Funny enough the first company to foresee this and acted to retain their pilots by offering significantly better contracts was WalMart about two years ago. I believe the number for a LR60 captain is/was close to $200k, better pension contribution and with more days off than they had before. Despite this sizeable increase they still cannot compete with the airlines long term though. The main reasons why some choose to stay corporate is the to not wanting to move/commute to a base, or they are too old to make the move.

There will be, and has to some extent already happened, operators on the lower part of the ladder who have been forced to close due to not being able to staff their planes. So far this is mainly in the 135 world, but my guess this will eventually start to heppen in the 91 world too. They don’t mind spening loads of money on their doctors or lawyers, but the have been so spoilt over the last 20 years or so by the access to cheap pilots that they will refuse to pay what it takes. Those are obviously the kind of people you don’t want to work for anyways, so I say good riddance.
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 12:51
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Does NJE only hire F/Os ? I am a Falcon 50/900 TRE. Thanks.
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 13:58
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Originally Posted by AFrotary View Post
A question at the Netjets pilots:

After a carreer at the airforce I’m ready to transition to civil aviation. My main reasons to leave the airforce are work-life balance and stability.
Having the choice between Netjets and a LCC, what would you recommend me to do?
Traditional airline = more money (usually)
Big jet = Ego boost + more comfortable.

One of the best part of the NJE deal is the roster. It's 6 on, 5 off and given to you 6 weeks in advance. It cannot be changed without your permission except during training or if you are on a disciplinary. For me, that's more important than the money, but I know other people have different priorities. There is no home standby unless it's on one of your on days - off means off. You may volunteer to work extra days as many of my colleagues do. You will be paid between 600 - 800 euros ish if you do one.

For me personally, the thought of flying backwards and forwards to the same airports every day behind an armoured door would bore me rigid. I have never been bored flying with NJE, but if more money than we offer, fast promotion and a big jet is something you want, it's not the right place for you. If you want varied and interesting flying tours, to work for a very professional company, some manual and visual flying into special airports, contact with customers and to actually get to know the people you work with, I think it's a good job. Not for everyone though.
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