Mustang down in Germany....
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Mustang down in Germany....
apparently on approach for Friedrichshafen (EDNY) coming from Egelsbach (EDFE).
Link to German newspaper:
Offenbar drei Tote bei Absturz von Business-Flugzeug
3 feared dead, most likely OE reg. acc. to a German forum OE-FWD of Skytaxi...
Link to German newspaper:
Offenbar drei Tote bei Absturz von Business-Flugzeug
3 feared dead, most likely OE reg. acc. to a German forum OE-FWD of Skytaxi...
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A German newspaper claims to have obtained a flight profile. It shows the aircraft approaching normally to about 4000ft, when it suddenly entered a steep dive/fall to the ground. It was snowing quite heavily at the time.
schwaebische.de/region_artikel,-Luftfahrtexperte-Flugzeug-war-besonders-sicher-_arid,10788160_toid,310.html
schwaebische.de/region_artikel,-Luftfahrtexperte-Flugzeug-war-besonders-sicher-_arid,10788160_toid,310.html
A German newspaper claims to have obtained a flight profile. It shows the aircraft approaching normally to about 4000ft, when it suddenly entered a steep dive/fall to the ground. It was snowing quite heavily at the time.
schwaebische.de/region_artikel,-Luftfahrtexperte-Flugzeug-war-besonders-sicher-_arid,10788160_toid,310.html
schwaebische.de/region_artikel,-Luftfahrtexperte-Flugzeug-war-besonders-sicher-_arid,10788160_toid,310.html
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The captain's name was immediately public - since it's the owner of Skytaxi himself. He was well-known in Austria's aviation community. The name of the co-pilot (49 years, from Vienna) is not disclosed publically.
oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/vorarlberg/Flugzeugabsturz-Zwei-Oesterreicher-tot/313173554
oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/vorarlberg/Flugzeugabsturz-Zwei-Oesterreicher-tot/313173554
Also, with only one pax and possibly little luggage, CG would be at the forward end of the certified range, increasing tail-plane loading.
Just checked the Jepps for runway 24 at EDNY and the glide-slope intercept is indeed 8.9nm/16km at 4000'. So they went down just as the AP would be trimming forward. The METARs also show optimal icing conditions. So if the tailplane was loaded with ice, this might well have caused tailplane stall. Possibly exacerbated if they had also selected flaps at "half point above the glide" as taught by some ATOs.
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If you had flown the mustang, you would like to keep flaps up in icing conditions, at least until WELL established on final descent, and until this moment it is an absolute minimum of 160 Kias...
This aircraft does not like ice at all..T tail, de-icing sequence every two minutes and asymmetrical...well recipe for success..
This aircraft does not like ice at all..T tail, de-icing sequence every two minutes and asymmetrical...well recipe for success..
If you had flown the mustang, you would like to keep flaps up in icing conditions, at least until WELL established on final descent, and until this moment it is an absolute minimum of 160 Kias...
This aircraft does not like ice at all..T tail, de-icing sequence every two minutes and asymmetrical...well recipe for success..
This aircraft does not like ice at all..T tail, de-icing sequence every two minutes and asymmetrical...well recipe for success..
It was the point I was making- C510 with high T-tail and boots is an ICTS trap.it was you who decided to announce that C510 is "flaps zero until landing". I have actually flown the C510 a great deal - obviously you haven't - because you don't seem to have read the AFM link which I gave you.
It does seem they lost control at the glide intercept - there is no indication at all so far that they even took TO/APR flaps at that point.For me personally that would be too early - I would normally take TO/APR at about 5nm, and LANDING about 3nm. I just suggested that the point they crashed could feasibly have been when they might have taken TO/APR flaps. All we can say for certain is that is about where (had they been flying on AP - which would be normal) the AP would be trimming forwards...
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It is not 100% proof at this time, so please check yourself, because I lost contact to him when he worked in Africa, but there is olny one I know with age 49 working for "Skytaxi" (you can see his profile on "Xing"). His name Alexander F. For further info pse send me PM. Erich
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Just a reminder - this is the Citation 510 - that on delivery to Croatia as 9A-CSG - left Wichita with USA Cessna registration. The 9A - reg was painted under the wing.
Cessna covered it with white wrap - pilots missed the fact the fuel vent was covered - in flight pilots heard two big bangs - and one of the wings imploded - made an emergency landing.
Aircraft was dismantled and flown back by cargo - for weeks worth of repairs, and redelivered to Croatia.
Eventually it was sold and became OE-FWD.
Cessna covered it with white wrap - pilots missed the fact the fuel vent was covered - in flight pilots heard two big bangs - and one of the wings imploded - made an emergency landing.
Aircraft was dismantled and flown back by cargo - for weeks worth of repairs, and redelivered to Croatia.
Eventually it was sold and became OE-FWD.
