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Legacy 600 performance

Old 27th Sep 2017, 23:22
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Legacy 600 performance

We are upgrading and now we are considering a legacy 600. What is the real range?Real field number full range? What are the real numbers? Opinions of the interior?
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 17:25
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What happen to the G200? It will go max with the 6000ft runway.
What is with the change?

The 600 numbers are not going to be much better from my understanding.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 03:41
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We are not very convinced with the g200. They all say it's a hog on the runway, and that the range is not very realistic. Also that it is very complicated to maintain.
What would you buy same year same time. Like one vs the other. We are not going to go full pax often but it has room in the back which is awesome...
Range one vs the other? They both announce same range but which is better in the real world?
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 19:14
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The G200 does use more runway, but I would say it is not significant compared to many other aircraft.
Facts -
G200 6000ft runway sea level. You can go Max weight anywhere.
The G200 crew I spoke to said 6000ft they fly a 2200 mile trip with reserves with 6 people. KSAN - KBTV. and they also do KSAN - PHNL.

I will say the two big things the G200 has going for it is.
1. Cabin size. It is a huge cabin for what the plane is and buyers see that.
2. Price - For the cabin size and range the price of the G200 is a great value. A 2008 just sold for less then 4 and change. I was told you can get a late model for around 1.5 now.
I do not think you can beat that price for the value.

Maintenance on the plane is not bad from what I have seen.

I'm not expert or even a novice on the Legacy, but once again I know a crew that flys one.
Compared to the G200 I would say all it has going for it is cabin size. Performance is not that great and has limits on runway etc like the G200.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 21:21
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Not a pilot, but I have maintained both G200s and Legacy 600s. The G200 is not bad maintenance-wise, but there are some weaknesses. The airframe itself is easy to work on. The Fadec-equipped Pratt 306 engines are pretty reliable. That engine does have one weakness, which are the BOV (blow-off valves) which open and close in sequence during engine acceleration to prevent overpressure in the compressor. If a BOV sticks open, it can lead to compressor stalls, but there have been P&W service bulletins to improve their reliability.

The wing is designed for maximum efficiency at cruise. Low speed flight requires a plethora of high-lift devices - both slats and Krueger flaps on the leading edge - which is equipped with pneumatic boots for deicing, which is not something typically found on a jet. The flaps and slats are driven by electric motors located in the center fuselage, connected to the wings by teleflex cables, which are prone to developing friction problems due corrosion and moisture ingress.

Avionics are standard Collins Proline 21, with almost all of the avionics kit located in the nose, and easily accessible through two hinged doors with quick release fasteners.

The pilots did not find it particularly enjoyable to hand fly. They all commented that the aircraft handled like a city bus compared to other makes they had flown. The high lift devices are absolutely essential for takeoff, BUT had to be retracted quickly during climb to avoid exceeding their maximum speed rating.

The APU starter generator on the earlier G200s was woefully under-rated, and would rarely last even 600 hours in service before failing.

The G280, with the completely redesigned wing, is a much better aircraft, but I assume it would be out of your price range.

The Legacy 600 is, in my opinion, a better aircraft from a maintenance perspective. The Rolls Royce engines are bulletproof - they just plain work, day in and day out - though they do consulme a lot of oil. Avionics are Honeywell Primus 2000. The cabin is very roomy, and the baggage compartment is truly enormous - and accessible from inside the aircraft.

The center fuel tanks, (of which there are 4, all interconnected), are one difference between the Legacy and the airline EMB-135 from which it is derived. If needed for a longer trip, filling those tanks can be somewhat arduous for line crews. They have to fill in a specific sequence to maintain proper C of G, and the computer that controls that process can be quite temperamental.

Tires seem to be another weak point for the Legacy. We had tires disintegrate on landing three different times for completely unknown reasons - the aircraft was not overly heavy or landed overly fast on any of the occasions. We were lucky in that none of the debris went up into the engine intake, but on one failure, the tire tread tore are large hole in one of the flaps.

The G200 cruises at Mach .80 easily. The Legacy, I believe, is slower - and has a lower maximum altitude.

Parts support for the G200 from Gulfstream is good, but some airframe structural parts are typically not stocked in Savannah - but have to be shipped in from Israel - which can be a problem in AOG situations. A similar issue holds true for the Legacy, with some parts only available from Brazil.

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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 17:17
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Legacy 600 needs about 2000m (6500ft) TODA and can fly around 3000NM with 3 PAX (no fuel penalty), with 13 PAX the range is reduced to around 2500. With ranges above we have usually fuel for about 1:15min. left which covers alternate and final reserve easily
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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 15:00
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I have no experience with the G200, but what i do know, in lots of Middle Eastern countries you will not get overflight permits as it is Israeli built.
regarding Legacy 600 , the ranges given above are good, but please don't forget, they are no wind ranges.
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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 16:59
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Originally Posted by EMB170 View Post
I have no experience with the G200, but what i do know, in lots of Middle Eastern countries you will not get overflight permits as it is Israeli built.
regarding Legacy 600 , the ranges given above are good, but please don't forget, they are no wind ranges.

Simply not true. I presently fly a G280, and have had no such issues with the exception of Beirut. We also operated a G100 for many years in the region with no problems.
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