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Old 14th Feb 2017, 05:30
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The flight attendants at my Global 5000/6000 operator do use the forward lav for a rest area when the crew rest area is full of pilots on the 6000 and any time they need to sit down in flight with pax on the 5000. The jump seat is very inconvenient to operate and not particularly comfortable. Augmented flights on the Global aren't all that nice for any of the crew on a Global, but especially brutal on the FAs. I did 11.5 hours on one flight where the poor FA never had a chance to sit outside of takeoff and landing- the pax didn't sleep and had very elaborate meals.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 07:09
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Hang on, the FA's use the lavatory as a 'rest area' ?!
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 10:59
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Thanks all for the feedback, please don't get into duty time limits, it's not the place to, this is a technical question.

So, the 7500nm limit can be reached with proper conditions? I mean, not with 100kts headwind and so but with an average route wind and temperature.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 11:18
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Absolutely the G650ER will make its 7500nm range and then some. If you throw in winds then we can talk about one particular Vegas company that did over 8000

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Old 14th Feb 2017, 23:10
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Lear60fellow,

Not to be argumentative, but crew rest facility is every bit as important as the aircrat's range. What good is the plane with an exhausted crew?

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Old 15th Feb 2017, 01:51
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
Good for you, Lucky8888, but that's not common.

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I didn't say it was.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 10:46
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Absolutely the G650ER will make its 7500nm range and then some
This is correct.

With apologies to Lear60fellow, who doesn't like the thread drift - does anyone do/contemplate 24 hour duty day with 3 pilots (eg augmented) in a Global or G650 utilising the crew rest?
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 16:42
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I recently was speaking with a buyer who wanted to do NYC-SYD straight thru with a three pilot crew, return 2 days later as a monthly trip. My operator stopped st 17 hours, planned crew changes often.

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Old 15th Feb 2017, 17:10
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I've seen a G650 do NFFN-KTEB in 14 or so hours. Most impressive!
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 03:58
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I've seen a G650 do NFFN-KTEB in 14 or so hours. Most impressive!
Iíve seen g650 doing one stop in 6k nautical miles trips
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 14:08
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It amazes me how no real crew rest is built into a 7500nm machine.

With that kind of flight time an augmented crew is the safest or am I wrong?

An owner will spend 70 mil on an aircraft but not consider the ultimate safety of the flight? Part 91 ops you could have a crew flying silly times!

Charter ops well what’s the point of a long range aircraft if you have to stop to change crew?

Even the ACJ320NEO doesn’t seem to have real crew rest standard.

Or am I just thinking to much? Or drinking to much good Whisky while posting?
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Old 9th Nov 2018, 00:29
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post
Even the ACJ320NEO doesnít seem to have real crew rest standard.


I don't think there IS such a thing as a "standard" ACJ. There is so many possible configs that there could be all sorts of facilities.
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Old 9th Nov 2018, 02:20
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Originally Posted by flyboyike View Post
I don't think there IS such a thing as a "standard" ACJ. There is so many possible configs that there could be all sorts of facilities.
Very fair point indeed. What I should have said is the fit outs and proposed fit outs I’ve seen does not include crew rest.

I really do feel it is a real issue that will only grow as range increases.

Yes it costs money, however as I’ve said as a pax isn’t the well being of the people responsible to keep things safe paramount? The current answer is.......

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Old 9th Nov 2018, 05:52
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I could show you some 747 or 787 BBJs that dont have realistic crew rest facilities.... no one ever appears to waste space on them, even with 3 levels used for passenger accommodation
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 04:39
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Our crew rest is pretty good [G650ER]. It is fwd of the galley across from the fwd lav and has a wood panel door, a lie flat seat/bunk, a window and a TV/monitor. Easy to get a few zzzz's. As a part 91 operator we are limited by company policy and common sense rather than FARs. Usually use 2 pilots up to about 12 hours and then add a 3rd depending on all the relevant factors. I personally prefer not to use a 3rd because you get there with 3 tired pilots but it makes sense for the long ones. As for the range- I came from a G550 and the longest leg we've put on our new 650 is 13.4. She will go a lot farther than that.
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 06:47
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ELLS - limited by company policy and common sense

A very rare commodity in business aviation. Hang on to that job!
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