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Guys, looking for help. Till last month I was using MCC v4.0, after my PC crash I cannot download from anywhere installation file for mccpilog log v4 (i have licence). Support via ticket or facebook do not respond from 2 weeks. Looking for any help.... Thanks in advance.
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Hey CJ,
Was your MCCpilotlog backup file also password protected?
How did you work around that?
I wanted to unzip. Couldn't do it, since it was protected. Not from my side.
Support was not replying anymore, once I requested them to unlock the file.
Cheers
Was your MCCpilotlog backup file also password protected?
How did you work around that?
I wanted to unzip. Couldn't do it, since it was protected. Not from my side.
Support was not replying anymore, once I requested them to unlock the file.
Cheers
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Hey Brother Wright,
I had same issues and posted my experience here at the end:
MCCpilotlog
What did you do finally?
Literally I am planning to go back to paper.
Kinda like the old school idea and freedom....
I had same issues and posted my experience here at the end:
MCCpilotlog
What did you do finally?
Literally I am planning to go back to paper.
Kinda like the old school idea and freedom....
Hello fellow ppruners,
Mcc pilotLog stopped importing from the airline portal several months ago, it's constantly giving back a 'time out error' (even with the slow connection box checked). I was waiting some time ( months) to see if it was recovering (since also the airline is constantly changing access to their portal, adding new layers of passwords, protections, pins and more passwords ...), then recently I sent an email to Mcc pilot log team just to receive a very annoying answer that they stopped upgrading this product and asking me to migrate to the new one and pay for the privilege, action that I will not do: what about the lifetime membership that I already paid once?! So they lost one client. My question now is:
Is there a way to import flights from a database file (CSV) downloaded by AIMS to MCC pilotLog? There is this function but I can not make it works, is anyone using the program this way?
If I switch to LogTen will I be able to collect easily the flights from MCC pilotLog database?
What a mess. Do not upgrade and pay for the new software! These people do not stand by their own words.
Maybe it is just better to start rock carving all my future flights block times, in an ancient Egyptian fashion way. Off to look for a nearby cave...
Mcc pilotLog stopped importing from the airline portal several months ago, it's constantly giving back a 'time out error' (even with the slow connection box checked). I was waiting some time ( months) to see if it was recovering (since also the airline is constantly changing access to their portal, adding new layers of passwords, protections, pins and more passwords ...), then recently I sent an email to Mcc pilot log team just to receive a very annoying answer that they stopped upgrading this product and asking me to migrate to the new one and pay for the privilege, action that I will not do: what about the lifetime membership that I already paid once?! So they lost one client. My question now is:
Is there a way to import flights from a database file (CSV) downloaded by AIMS to MCC pilotLog? There is this function but I can not make it works, is anyone using the program this way?
If I switch to LogTen will I be able to collect easily the flights from MCC pilotLog database?
What a mess. Do not upgrade and pay for the new software! These people do not stand by their own words.
Maybe it is just better to start rock carving all my future flights block times, in an ancient Egyptian fashion way. Off to look for a nearby cave...
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Used to have a lifetime sub to mcc pilotlog. Paying out the money for crewlounge pilotlog was irritating, but after being patient it does seem to have started working. Now it only access's the roster from your phone app, but syncs no problem with the other devices.
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@Chally604
I was told a way to import flights downloading first a file from the company site and then importing. A bit troublesome but still acceptable. But now I updated my mac to the newest operating system (it was just keep asking me to do so, and one day I eventually gave up and pressed yes...argh) just to find out that now Mcc logbook doesn't even open anymore. So I am considering seriously to switch to this crewlounge thing, I really don't want to go back to paper, so can't find a better plan so far. On a side note, if the programme was actually blocked by the new 64 bits Mac operating new system and they had to update the original MCC to keep doing its work, I can accept a bit more peacefully their request for a new subscription, since I suppose they had to do a lot of extra work as well to make the switch. At least, I naively wanna think so
What did you do finally?
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Thanks for your sound advice, which I followed. I then started digging to find another way (tried to use a virtual machine but gave up within seconds, as I can't stand to spend time setting up unneeded IT stuff), and then I found a provider I didn't know before: pilotlog co uk . They imported the .DB file within the MCC pilotlog programme (not a properly arranged CSV, but the actual programme raw database), and within few hours it was all set up, I recovered everything and the interface is great: plain basic stuff, no frills or unnecessary function/graphic. You access it directly from internet, so no need for any programme. They have one for the phones but to be honest for me is just perfect this way. I don't want this to sounds as advertising, but I just want to share with you my final point on this e-logbook journey. Cheers
I am still on the old mccPilotLog, hopefully it will be functional for some time. I do need the flight time reports that it can issue and would miss them if another logging-app/service would not have them.
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If you are a mac user, don't update to the new system, catolina or catarina or whatever is called, it's 64 bits, what it means is out of my reach, but I tell you: with mccpilotlog will be game over. It won't even start. Zero
Drain Bamaged
Eventually you will call everything a scam and piece of s.. softwares.
I had no issue, when I was with mccpilotlog (after they somehow managed to save all the data from a truly out of date e-logbook that wouldn't work anymore) I switched to Crewlounge and pay for it. Still no issues.
As someone said above: "Since they had to do a lot of extra work to make the switch, might as well pay for it"
Just to say, I didn't wait for the program to cakes in by let it becoming truly obsolete. Forcing me afterward to figure out how to manage a switch.
I do get it though, us pilot are ruthless son of a mama that wants everything top notch for free
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You know, if you don't keep up with updates, being from your laptop, each one of your program you have on it, e-logbook, etc...
Eventually you will call everything a scam and piece of s.. softwares.
I do get it though, us pilot are ruthless son of a mama that wants everything top notch for free
Eventually you will call everything a scam and piece of s.. softwares.
I do get it though, us pilot are ruthless son of a mama that wants everything top notch for free
I had the latest MCC version, I tried them early and the database of my 25year + carreer did not transfer correctly from LTP, contacted them several times.
A year later I bought the lifetime version, tried several times to get them to convert the database correctly, which they could never get done correctly, missing something like 10.000 hours..... and in LTP it is working flawlessly. Don't offer database conversion if you can't get it to work.
I decided to just use the totals and start new in MCC.
The functionality is nowhere close to LTP, but with the reasonable lifetime promise/price it was ok...until they came out with crewlounge which is really garbage, the initials did not work at all, and then we are not even talking about the lifetime broken promise.
All in all it lacks any meaningful functionality and is substandard.
As a software company you know what quality you put out, it really sucked. In that case just stopping support on lifetime purchases and trying to force you in to a new non-functioning piece of software in my book amounts to extortion.
What they should have done is transfer all existing customers with lifetime licences free of charge or a minor addition and extend the lifetime to the existing customer and then try to fix it with the help of your customers.
New costumers you can then charge at the new pricing, that way you build confidence and expand your business.
They c..ked it up and are now paying the price for it and this has nothing to do with free software, I already payed for it anyway for a lifetime, If you don't plan on honoring it, don't offer it.
There appears only one greedy party here and it certainly isn't me...
ps. all pliots that I know who where using MCC dumped it and moved to something more robust and more importantly, more trustworthy.
Just wanted to shout out Flightmatic here, probably the most clean and modern looking logbook app I've seen on iOS. I have no affiliation to it, was just browsing logbook apps to see if any new ones had popped up. It seems to be developed by one person and it is still pretty basic at the moment. I noticed the odd spelling mistake here and there. And it does not have the advanced features and reports like LogTen Pro et al. If you don't need anything really fancy, it will probably do the job pretty well. I just appreciate the clean UI and hope it can grow into a contender.
RB Logbook also seems worth a look, mostly for the RosterBuster integration if your airline roster system is supported.
RB Logbook also seems worth a look, mostly for the RosterBuster integration if your airline roster system is supported.
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Well, usually if you have no idea what you are talking about, it makes you look stupid, this certainly applies to your posting
I had the latest MCC version, I tried them early and the database of my 25year + carreer did not transfer correctly from LTP, contacted them several times.
A year later I bought the lifetime version, tried several times to get them to convert the database correctly, which they could never get done correctly, missing something like 10.000 hours..... and in LTP it is working flawlessly. Don't offer database conversion if you can't get it to work.
I decided to just use the totals and start new in MCC.
The functionality is nowhere close to LTP, but with the reasonable lifetime promise/price it was ok...until they came out with crewlounge which is really garbage, the initials did not work at all, and then we are not even talking about the lifetime broken promise.
All in all it lacks any meaningful functionality and is substandard.
As a software company you know what quality you put out, it really sucked. In that case just stopping support on lifetime purchases and trying to force you in to a new non-functioning piece of software in my book amounts to extortion.
What they should have done is transfer all existing customers with lifetime licences free of charge or a minor addition and extend the lifetime to the existing customer and then try to fix it with the help of your customers.
New costumers you can then charge at the new pricing, that way you build confidence and expand your business.
They c..ked it up and are now paying the price for it and this has nothing to do with free software, I already payed for it anyway for a lifetime, If you don't plan on honoring it, don't offer it.
There appears only one greedy party here and it certainly isn't me...
ps. all pliots that I know who where using MCC dumped it and moved to something more robust and more importantly, more trustworthy.
I had the latest MCC version, I tried them early and the database of my 25year + carreer did not transfer correctly from LTP, contacted them several times.
A year later I bought the lifetime version, tried several times to get them to convert the database correctly, which they could never get done correctly, missing something like 10.000 hours..... and in LTP it is working flawlessly. Don't offer database conversion if you can't get it to work.
I decided to just use the totals and start new in MCC.
The functionality is nowhere close to LTP, but with the reasonable lifetime promise/price it was ok...until they came out with crewlounge which is really garbage, the initials did not work at all, and then we are not even talking about the lifetime broken promise.
All in all it lacks any meaningful functionality and is substandard.
As a software company you know what quality you put out, it really sucked. In that case just stopping support on lifetime purchases and trying to force you in to a new non-functioning piece of software in my book amounts to extortion.
What they should have done is transfer all existing customers with lifetime licences free of charge or a minor addition and extend the lifetime to the existing customer and then try to fix it with the help of your customers.
New costumers you can then charge at the new pricing, that way you build confidence and expand your business.
They c..ked it up and are now paying the price for it and this has nothing to do with free software, I already payed for it anyway for a lifetime, If you don't plan on honoring it, don't offer it.
There appears only one greedy party here and it certainly isn't me...
ps. all pliots that I know who where using MCC dumped it and moved to something more robust and more importantly, more trustworthy.
If that makes me looks stupid, your call
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Like I said earlier, this business is too small for quacks like MCC, natural selection will prevail.
Drain Bamaged
Wrong, I'm not affiliated with them.
Just that back in the day they were the only one who somehow managed to save and transfer my old e-logbook. One that I couldn't even open anymore!
Saving me of a lot of trouble.... So I pay them back this way, and it is true that so far I have no problem (must be super lucky I guess)
Also, yes MCC/Crew Lounge is getting too complicated by trying to please everybody's requests, it could eventually bite them.
This being said, you have to admit that people will be wayyyy more prone to post complaints about something they don't like or have trouble with than the other way around.
Just that back in the day they were the only one who somehow managed to save and transfer my old e-logbook. One that I couldn't even open anymore!
Saving me of a lot of trouble.... So I pay them back this way, and it is true that so far I have no problem (must be super lucky I guess)
Also, yes MCC/Crew Lounge is getting too complicated by trying to please everybody's requests, it could eventually bite them.
This being said, you have to admit that people will be wayyyy more prone to post complaints about something they don't like or have trouble with than the other way around.
Yeah, but how many complaints have you seen about LogTen?
(Maybe other than the price...)
Having switched to LogTen when MCC pulled the subscription switcheroo and it didn’t work anyway, I have ZERO issues with LogTen and simply love the ease of its interface. Not cheap, but works flawlessly.
(Maybe other than the price...)
Having switched to LogTen when MCC pulled the subscription switcheroo and it didn’t work anyway, I have ZERO issues with LogTen and simply love the ease of its interface. Not cheap, but works flawlessly.
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Not as bad as I thought
Hello there !
I wanted to give you all an update to this electronic logbook topic.
Personally I did the upgrade to CrewLounge PILOTLOG two days ago and it is working perfectly
My MacBook Air started to become a bit old (from Late 2010) and wanted to upgrade it. As well as the macOS system, so I couldn’t use MCCPilotLOG anymore.
I was a MCCPilotLOG user since October 2015 and bought a lifetime licence for about 80€ if I remember correctly. So I paid them approx 1.3€ per month over 5 years.
I was evaluating the other options (from LogTenPro which has a nice UI, to some small others). But finally I didn’t wanted the pain of transferring a database to another soft but I was also looking about price.
The process to transfert from MCCPilotLOG to CrewLounge PILOTLOG was smooth as explained in the tutorial.
Of course I paid again a lifetime version for a software which is a bit improved as before, but at least I will have updates with the new systems and still I am seeing this as an gift for them to be able to improve the software even more.
Yes over 3 years I paid about double of what I paid the last 5 years, but I’m happy that they are still developing it.
Well thanks for reading me, and if Pat is reading this forum, I would like to thank his team also to make this Grandfathering program possible (even a year after discontinuation) as well as the smooth transfert to the new app !
have a great weekend in theses complicated times!
seven3
I wanted to give you all an update to this electronic logbook topic.
Personally I did the upgrade to CrewLounge PILOTLOG two days ago and it is working perfectly
My MacBook Air started to become a bit old (from Late 2010) and wanted to upgrade it. As well as the macOS system, so I couldn’t use MCCPilotLOG anymore.
I was a MCCPilotLOG user since October 2015 and bought a lifetime licence for about 80€ if I remember correctly. So I paid them approx 1.3€ per month over 5 years.
I was evaluating the other options (from LogTenPro which has a nice UI, to some small others). But finally I didn’t wanted the pain of transferring a database to another soft but I was also looking about price.
The process to transfert from MCCPilotLOG to CrewLounge PILOTLOG was smooth as explained in the tutorial.
Of course I paid again a lifetime version for a software which is a bit improved as before, but at least I will have updates with the new systems and still I am seeing this as an gift for them to be able to improve the software even more.
Yes over 3 years I paid about double of what I paid the last 5 years, but I’m happy that they are still developing it.
Well thanks for reading me, and if Pat is reading this forum, I would like to thank his team also to make this Grandfathering program possible (even a year after discontinuation) as well as the smooth transfert to the new app !
have a great weekend in theses complicated times!
seven3
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