Anyone worried about Brexit for UK business aviation?!
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Anyone worried about Brexit for UK business aviation?!
One week to go ppruners, our lives and careers in the UK could be changed forever from the 23rd June. Surprising lack of a dialogue on here, really, nobody worried? Fuel prices likely to go up (with weakening of Sterling), ambiguity about cabotage rules, employment constraints for overseas nationals, crew etc., this is serious stuff.
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My boss has stopped all investing in the UK, has drawn up plans for moving part of his business to mainland Europe and asked us about the best base near his new residence in Swiss... So yes Farage and that Boris guy have a lot of explaining to do if the Sun readers believe that the world can be run by one-liners....
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The company and it´s staff stays in the EU but where is based on the outcome... But correct he is not and knowing the difference in tax I wouldn't either 
Too bad Monaco has no runway of it´s own 
Too bad Monaco has no runway of it´s own
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this is serious stuff.
My bosses are seriously concerned if brexit becomes real. Asked the CFO what he figures the consequences are. Basically, he said, no one really knows yet, but it will hurt the economies on both sides. big time.
We will find out.
Nope, not worried at all. Interestingly, the Swiss seem quite happy to be officially out as well.
Swiss Parliament decides to withdraw the application to join the EU
Swiss Parliament decides to withdraw the application to join the EU
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Difference being, they never were in, they never got all the exemptions and goodies the brits got.
As a citizen of Germany I would like the brexit as a wake up call to the powers of the EU and my government alike. IF they would understand the signs written by the brits onto the wall, which I doubt. Thus a brexit might be in vain and I´m pretty sure it will hurt the British economy hard.
I might be completely wrong though.
I can´t do anything about it anyhow, so why do I bother ?
As a wiser person once sung:
As a citizen of Germany I would like the brexit as a wake up call to the powers of the EU and my government alike. IF they would understand the signs written by the brits onto the wall, which I doubt. Thus a brexit might be in vain and I´m pretty sure it will hurt the British economy hard.
I might be completely wrong though.
I can´t do anything about it anyhow, so why do I bother ?
As a wiser person once sung:
what have you got to lose?
You know, you come from nothing
- you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost?
Always (Nothing.) look on the right side of life...
You know, you come from nothing
- you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost?
Always (Nothing.) look on the right side of life...
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As a citizen of Germany I would like the brexit as a wake up call to the powers of the EU and my government alike.
British business aviation itself will not suffer from a Brexit I guess. On the contrary, they might be able to rid themselves of the cheap competition from the continent that takes a lot of their business away right now.
But what is certainly going to suffer are the other businesses around aviation in the UK. For aircraft maintenance and repainting, UK companies have an excellent reputation and quite a few of the aircraft in our company go there for these tasks, even if UK prices have always been a bit on the expensive side. But after a possible Brexit this will probably be over. The same with our simulator visits to FSI and CAE in the UK. It is already more expensive to go there than to the States, but at least it saves us traveling days and TSA bull****. But if UK prices go up after the Brexit we will go to the States again. And most of the companies on the Continent as well I guess.
For us business aviators on the Continent, a Brexit might even bring about more business. Instead of contracting companies in the UK (we fly a lot for the automotive industry) our customers might move south-eastwards to Romania, Czech, Slovakia, whatever instead. Which means more flying hours sold and better hotels and food for us crews for 1/3 of the price...
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Instead of contracting companies in the UK (we fly a lot for the automotive industry) our customers might move south-eastwards to Romania, Czech, Slovakia, whatever instead. Which means more flying hours sold and better hotels and food for us crews for 1/3 of the price...
As a better actor than myself once said: beware what you wish for, cookie !
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I bet most bizav players (aircraft owners) have prepared for all eventualities.
I'm not sure how things will end up in case of Brexit but as usual I expect the regular citizens to be the ones to hurt, not big corporations and people who are traveling around in private jets...
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I'm not sure how things will end up in case of Brexit but as usual I expect the regular citizens to be the ones to hurt, not big corporations and people who are traveling around in private jets...
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NO to a united states of Europe, YES to democracy once again. We have almost always had friendly relations with European countries in modern times, we will continue to do so, respect their EU and travel and trade in almost the same old way, hail brexit
Throwing in my own two cents, I find it hard to see a scenario where business aviation (or, indeed, any aviation in the UK) will benefit from Brexit. The CEOs of every major airline have come out in favour of remain because the alternative (Brexit) is a threat to their business, and, consequently, a threat to jobs in the industry.
To the undecided, or s/he who thinks the EU is a load of bureaucratic nonsense (and really, I get it), then I would urge you to read the Times newspaper's editorial on the subject. They make very well the 'doubters case for remain'. It's very worthwhile reading
Remaking Europe | Comment | The Times & The Sunday Times
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The problem is - the UK does not see itself as a real part of the EU and more importanly, Europe. At least someone from the rest of Europe would have that impression.
We had our differences, true, but since 1945(coming from the loosing side of that war) we had a very good understanding, growing respect. Maybe even friendships, now and then.
But the UK always went that other way, starting with the Iron lady, getting that "Brits discount", and we idiots(ok, our idiotic governments at least back here at the mainland) accepted that which was the absolute wrong decission. It could have been stopped already there, so maybe you would not worry about a Brexit because you would have been never "in".
If the UK leaves this would be a lesson for the mainland not to give away any more "extras". Either you want to be a true European and stick with the countries that need your assistance(just think about the Syrian refugee situation and the NOT participation of the UK).
If you just want to pick the nice things it is well time to leave, good for both sides. And it saves us some money.
Back to the question. Yes, of course a Brexit will have impact on business aviation back in the UK. How could it be different. All agreements will be void(as they said when Scotland would leave the UK) and have to be renegotiated. If any government on the mainland will not support that they will loose the next vote back home. People are getting tired of this BS.
And yes, I agree, the burocrats in Brussels are a pain in the A, but again, either you are in, with all advantages and disadvantages, or you are not.
No offence intended. But the UK pushed it much to far over the last few years with picking just the nice things out.
@what next
Most likely true as well. The Pound may stay strong(I really do not believe that, but let's see, popcorn is out ;-) )this might cause the next problem. Nobody will go there anymore if not absolutely necessary. I avoid already amazon.co.uk (one of my favorite stores before because I like original movies and series) but with the to strong pound it was expensive to shop there. Strong pound, bad for tourists. And shoppers.
We had our differences, true, but since 1945(coming from the loosing side of that war) we had a very good understanding, growing respect. Maybe even friendships, now and then.
But the UK always went that other way, starting with the Iron lady, getting that "Brits discount", and we idiots(ok, our idiotic governments at least back here at the mainland) accepted that which was the absolute wrong decission. It could have been stopped already there, so maybe you would not worry about a Brexit because you would have been never "in".
If the UK leaves this would be a lesson for the mainland not to give away any more "extras". Either you want to be a true European and stick with the countries that need your assistance(just think about the Syrian refugee situation and the NOT participation of the UK).
If you just want to pick the nice things it is well time to leave, good for both sides. And it saves us some money.
Back to the question. Yes, of course a Brexit will have impact on business aviation back in the UK. How could it be different. All agreements will be void(as they said when Scotland would leave the UK) and have to be renegotiated. If any government on the mainland will not support that they will loose the next vote back home. People are getting tired of this BS.
And yes, I agree, the burocrats in Brussels are a pain in the A, but again, either you are in, with all advantages and disadvantages, or you are not.
No offence intended. But the UK pushed it much to far over the last few years with picking just the nice things out.
@what next
Most likely true as well. The Pound may stay strong(I really do not believe that, but let's see, popcorn is out ;-) )this might cause the next problem. Nobody will go there anymore if not absolutely necessary. I avoid already amazon.co.uk (one of my favorite stores before because I like original movies and series) but with the to strong pound it was expensive to shop there. Strong pound, bad for tourists. And shoppers.
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Can we get back on topic? Wanted a debate on how Brexit might affect our specific sector of aviation in the UK, not a general battle on whether the EU is good or bad.
Thoughts on ease of multinational staff employment, access to the wider EU market, impact of probable Sterling devaluation, constraints relating to cabotage, good or bad for UK pilot training sector, MRO sector, acquisitions and consolidation in our industry, inward investment into the UK business aviation market from outside UK, fuel pricing, taxation, duties, tariffs, import/export constraints or freedoms, likelihood of greater use of any registers other than the 'G' reg and any consequential loss of control and oversight by UK CAA or EASA, there's lots to consider people.
Thoughts on ease of multinational staff employment, access to the wider EU market, impact of probable Sterling devaluation, constraints relating to cabotage, good or bad for UK pilot training sector, MRO sector, acquisitions and consolidation in our industry, inward investment into the UK business aviation market from outside UK, fuel pricing, taxation, duties, tariffs, import/export constraints or freedoms, likelihood of greater use of any registers other than the 'G' reg and any consequential loss of control and oversight by UK CAA or EASA, there's lots to consider people.
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For the UK to leave UE is a 2 years process. If there is an agreement, it's done. If not, 2 years more.
The terms and agreements will be decided by politiciens, officialy.
which means by the banks, and no more "democratic votes" are involved in the process.
They will do as they want, I'm pretty sure earth will still spin in the same direction...
The thing is that I hold a UK pilot licence, I'm worried about that...
Think I will contact the Zimbabwe CAA as to get closer to the European standards
Ahahahahahah !!!
Bloody British !
The terms and agreements will be decided by politiciens, officialy.
which means by the banks, and no more "democratic votes" are involved in the process.
They will do as they want, I'm pretty sure earth will still spin in the same direction...
The thing is that I hold a UK pilot licence, I'm worried about that...
Think I will contact the Zimbabwe CAA as to get closer to the European standards
Ahahahahahah !!!
Bloody British !
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