What happens to UK aviation if UK votes to leave the European Union?
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Well if the UK Pound (Sterling) goes down to US$1.15 as predicted by a number of banks, none of us will be able to afford to fly overseas anyway and the Jet A1 fuel price which is based globally in US Dollar terms will be bad news for UK-based operators. Continental European operators will have an easier time than UK-based ones both in terms of costs and access rights and border controls for UK citizens overseas will change in some capacity, which definitely won't make our lives easier - more red tape and more delays
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Goldman Sachs have issued the most dovish prediction, stating that, ‘We argue that, if the UK voted to leave the EU, the UK’s current account deficit would still be a source of vulnerability despite some recent improvement. An abrupt and total interruption to incoming capital flows in response to a ‘Brexit’ could see the Pound decline by as much as 15-20%.’
So, what's the impact to UK-based operators if the pound is weakened by 15-20%?
So, what's the impact to UK-based operators if the pound is weakened by 15-20%?
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How about the UK taking the lead on setting up a new Euro-club, 'EU2' with those outside of the Euro Zone or not in the EU at all, so say UK, Switzerland,Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland etc.,
- NHS: a UK issue that UK has messed up for years
- border control: a UK issue that will get worse as all Customs posts will be moved back to mainland UK
- Rules from the EU: most rules will still apply if you want to trade with Europe (see Switzerland)
- Housing shortage: an internal UK thing that the past and current UK governments!
- European court of Human rights: this is not eu related and would still be applicable as it was ratified by the UK in the late 50s
- Devolution: the Scots will join the EU as fast as possible and the EU will be happy for them to join. England? Well that is a country that is not so welcome if alone to ensure that all the big firms in London move to Paris, Frankfurt and Dublin first! Wales: as the biggest recipient of EU subsidies has an interest to get back in asap. Northern Ireland... joining the other Ireland??? http://www.ibtimes.com/what-would-br...s-2016-2244089
But hey let's go and shout stupid stuff... It works for Trump! 
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Interesting to see that only 2% of 900 member companies of Aerospace sector ADS group were in favour of Brexit and the rest want to stay in. That would unquestionably seem to indicate that with the UK airports, airline and aerospace sectors vastly in favour of staying in Europe, Brexit would be a bad idea for other bits of aviation? I haven't seen a single word to suggest that leaving Europe would certainly be good for UK aviation, but plenty to say it could be bad and many commentaries that really don't know.
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Well, let's hope the UK votes for the Brexit, an advice of an european guy.
The EU is simply a failed project, on the edge of bankrupt. Got the news today that Europe is standing with the trousers on the ankles, bending forward and nailed by Turkey. Selling their souls. Unbelievable. But if it is about ruling bitching, then the EU is standing their with their finger within 5 secs. I am really thinking to leave my country and to move to another country.....UK perhaps???
Trust me British forum guys...you are very well off without EU!!!!!
The EU is simply a failed project, on the edge of bankrupt. Got the news today that Europe is standing with the trousers on the ankles, bending forward and nailed by Turkey. Selling their souls. Unbelievable. But if it is about ruling bitching, then the EU is standing their with their finger within 5 secs. I am really thinking to leave my country and to move to another country.....UK perhaps???
Trust me British forum guys...you are very well off without EU!!!!!
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Well, let's hope the UK votes for the Brexit, an advice of an european guy.
The EU is simply a failed project, on the edge of bankrupt. Got the news today that Europe is standing with the trousers on the ankles, bending forward and nailed by Turkey. Selling their souls. Unbelievable. But if it is about ruling bitching, then the EU is standing their with their finger within 5 secs. I am really thinking to leave my country and to move to another country.....UK perhaps???
Trust me British forum guys...you are very well off without EU!!!!!
The EU is simply a failed project, on the edge of bankrupt. Got the news today that Europe is standing with the trousers on the ankles, bending forward and nailed by Turkey. Selling their souls. Unbelievable. But if it is about ruling bitching, then the EU is standing their with their finger within 5 secs. I am really thinking to leave my country and to move to another country.....UK perhaps???
Trust me British forum guys...you are very well off without EU!!!!!
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YES, and they are right. I was just saying this so to speak. But it shows a feeling how a lot more people in EU are feeling about this EU circus.
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Well one of the fundamental flaws of the EU is the different treatment / rulings etc that are allowed for states.
Look at the 3% rule for the Euro... first one to blast right through that one was Germany, the very people that put that rule in. The UK has been given exemption after exemption and never truly thought of itself as being part of the EU. If you could, you´d move your island and anchor it in front of the US coastline.
I think it would be somehow good if the brits would leave, really forcing the EU to rethink their approach towards the people.
However I doubt that this would really happen, the bureaucrats are just serving themselves and the big corporations.
We can´t achieve parity within the EU if the underlying, basic regulations and laws are not the same for all.
Won´t happen, hence the project is doomed if it is to serve the people.
It serves corporate greed alright.
Look at the 3% rule for the Euro... first one to blast right through that one was Germany, the very people that put that rule in. The UK has been given exemption after exemption and never truly thought of itself as being part of the EU. If you could, you´d move your island and anchor it in front of the US coastline.
I think it would be somehow good if the brits would leave, really forcing the EU to rethink their approach towards the people.
However I doubt that this would really happen, the bureaucrats are just serving themselves and the big corporations.
We can´t achieve parity within the EU if the underlying, basic regulations and laws are not the same for all.
Won´t happen, hence the project is doomed if it is to serve the people.
It serves corporate greed alright.
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Err am I missing something here?
80% of CBI members want to remain in EU (despite the CBI boss thinking otherwise)
85% of business leaders the manufacturing sector want to stay in
84% of the financial sector want to stay in
98% of the Aerospace, Defence sector want to stay in
Most UK airports want to remain in
Most UK airlines want to stay in
Bank of England's Carney has inferred we ought to stay in yesterday
Putting aside the migration issues for a moment, doesn't that say something fairly obvious?
80% of CBI members want to remain in EU (despite the CBI boss thinking otherwise)
85% of business leaders the manufacturing sector want to stay in
84% of the financial sector want to stay in
98% of the Aerospace, Defence sector want to stay in
Most UK airports want to remain in
Most UK airlines want to stay in
Bank of England's Carney has inferred we ought to stay in yesterday
Putting aside the migration issues for a moment, doesn't that say something fairly obvious?
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@controlx,
Yes you are missing something.
The EU is always talking about: enonomy, economy economy. I say: it is all leading to poverty poverty and poverty.
In my country the government has to save again a lot of money, all because EU wants it and are pointing with their finger. The notorious 3% rule. A lot of people have it already difficult because in the short history we had already to save also A LOT, at the expense of.........yes you guess it......common man.
Yes the EU is serving the companies, thats why all the ceo's want to stay in. But the EU is not serving people like you or me and because of that, common man is pushed in poverty.
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Yes you are missing something.
The EU is always talking about: enonomy, economy economy. I say: it is all leading to poverty poverty and poverty.
In my country the government has to save again a lot of money, all because EU wants it and are pointing with their finger. The notorious 3% rule. A lot of people have it already difficult because in the short history we had already to save also A LOT, at the expense of.........yes you guess it......common man.
Yes the EU is serving the companies, thats why all the ceo's want to stay in. But the EU is not serving people like you or me and because of that, common man is pushed in poverty.
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O.K. lets put it another way. In any rational balance of probabilities, is my own (aviation) job more or less secure were the UK to leave the UK?
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Are my children more or less likely to find jobs in the future were the UK to leave the EU?
Am absolutely convinced that the answer is less secure and less likely in both cases if we leave, no matter how small the difference.
I'm not allowing an 'it will make no difference' answer, got to choose one side or another.
O.K. lets put it another way. In any rational balance of probabilities, is my own (aviation) job more or less secure were the UK to leave the UK?
and
Are my children more or less likely to find jobs in the future were the UK to leave the EU?
Am absolutely convinced that the answer is less secure and less likely in both cases if we leave, no matter how small the difference.
I'm not allowing an 'it will make no difference' answer, got to choose one side or another.
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Don't start me!
Trouble is politicians are reliably unreliable when it comes to truth, there are a lot of untruths out there personally I'm for exit and have firmly believed that for probably 25-30 years. Maybe I should say I have been self-employed since 1984 and as such am no stranger to uncertainty and insecurity, but then who is these days in an age when people pay into pension funds all their life only to be skanked at the end of it all.
If I firmly believed we would get an honest and truthful presentation of the facts rather than the desperate clinging on to membership of a large bent gravy train then I would respect the democratic outcome. We will however have a pack of lies which will guarantee a smack in the mouth sooner or later.
Something else to chew on, given the unwillingness to give us anything in the way of change to conditions, do you honestly think they aren't going to give us such a kicking for having the audacity to try, it'll probably start with the quiet removal of the London financial sector to Germany, don't forget it has been muted in the past.
If our historical cultural disposition wants to regain its respect in the world again, then it needs to stand up, be counted and steadfastly stick to its resolve. Those were the halcyon days when politicians were elder statesmen, and Barak Obama would be told to keep his unqualified nose out of our affairs.
Will your job security and that of your childrens, and the sanctity of your future be any more guaranteed if we stay in ? ...............I believe not Sir.
If I firmly believed we would get an honest and truthful presentation of the facts rather than the desperate clinging on to membership of a large bent gravy train then I would respect the democratic outcome. We will however have a pack of lies which will guarantee a smack in the mouth sooner or later.
Something else to chew on, given the unwillingness to give us anything in the way of change to conditions, do you honestly think they aren't going to give us such a kicking for having the audacity to try, it'll probably start with the quiet removal of the London financial sector to Germany, don't forget it has been muted in the past.
If our historical cultural disposition wants to regain its respect in the world again, then it needs to stand up, be counted and steadfastly stick to its resolve. Those were the halcyon days when politicians were elder statesmen, and Barak Obama would be told to keep his unqualified nose out of our affairs.
Will your job security and that of your childrens, and the sanctity of your future be any more guaranteed if we stay in ? ...............I believe not Sir.
