Your Longest Period Out Of Work
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Your Longest Period Out Of Work
Quite a simple thread really; what is your longest period out of work in bizjet aviation ? What do feel is the best aircraft type to stay in work ? Before anyone asks, its not a do I pay for type rating thread just trying to get an idea as my current gig is ending in 3 months with not much on the horizon.
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Fastjet. Yes you are right, I should. No-one to my knowledge has ever managed to leave on good terms. The company like to see people suffer! On top of having the pi55 ripped out of me for the years I was there. All because of one feller in management. Avoid!
B200. Not so fast. These ratings are useless outside of China these days. That ship has sailed. I know of many Global and G guys unable to get a gig in civilisation!
B200. Not so fast. These ratings are useless outside of China these days. That ship has sailed. I know of many Global and G guys unable to get a gig in civilisation!
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1 and 1/2 years...take or give.
Small type, SPA. Not easy initially and in fact the TR nearly dropped off my license but I was lucky enough to fly an handful of PIC hrs on another ticket and that made me marketable again.
However, desperate times often demand desperate measures and I ended up in a less-than-ideal situation. Feeling "locked up" on the type and as someone said, the boat may have sailed for many like myself. Still flying, tho!
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Small type, SPA. Not easy initially and in fact the TR nearly dropped off my license but I was lucky enough to fly an handful of PIC hrs on another ticket and that made me marketable again.
However, desperate times often demand desperate measures and I ended up in a less-than-ideal situation. Feeling "locked up" on the type and as someone said, the boat may have sailed for many like myself. Still flying, tho!
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Yeah, talking about the European market, I can confirm that statement by Kelly - good, permanant contracts are extremely hard to come by the last few months, at least on the Global. Many have been laid off in the last 6 months and those of us who still have work, are kind of forced to be on a constant lookout atm, as we do not even know what the near future brings... looking pretty dim. Probably even better to be rated on the Challi. That is just the sad reality atm.
I am also flying again after a 5 month break last year, but also have the same "locked on my type" feeling drag king mentioned- but also glad to be flying again.
I am also flying again after a 5 month break last year, but also have the same "locked on my type" feeling drag king mentioned- but also glad to be flying again.
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I am very surprised to hear about the market with the Global always thought that was the goose with golden egg.
With my gig they are ending it and leaving us all at the end of type rating currency so the choice is now pay for your recurrent yourself to remain employable on a freelance basis or just let it lapse.
Anybody else been left in the situation ?
With my gig they are ending it and leaving us all at the end of type rating currency so the choice is now pay for your recurrent yourself to remain employable on a freelance basis or just let it lapse.
Anybody else been left in the situation ?
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Yes, actually it also happend to me with one month left on my currency - all the money I managed to miser like a squirril expecting a bad winter in the last 2 years: liquidated. At least it has kept me in business and as I am a loyal taxpayer too, at least I can write some of it off and I received unemployment funds while grounded. Below the line it is something that makes one sick...
What did make me feel a little better, is that really many a Global pilot I met have said they had been in that situation, similar or worse at least twice in their careers. So it is actually a calcuble risk, that you have to factor in while receiving a higher salary than an airline guy would - things can change extremely quickly in this business.
What did make me feel a little better, is that really many a Global pilot I met have said they had been in that situation, similar or worse at least twice in their careers. So it is actually a calcuble risk, that you have to factor in while receiving a higher salary than an airline guy would - things can change extremely quickly in this business.
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Kelly Hopper
What a load of crap people exist in this crap business!
What a load of crap people exist in this crap business!
Propellerpilot
Below the line it is something that makes one sick...
Below the line it is something that makes one sick...
but I do keep reminding myself that, what goes around comes around 
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I luckily never had issues with fellow crew members except for a very odd and newly employed inexperienced flight attendant who must have a "very special" relationship to the autocratic boss of that former company...
She threw a fit and some tears... and that was then unjustly used against me... probably because shortly before I pissed management off as I had voiced some other well meaning and genuine concerns, some on unfair rostering and others boundering on flight safety and clear violation of the OM by management (e.g. crewing together of inexperienced crew as defined therin etc.).
I could not be punished for the latter so the former was utilized to lay me off, as they claimed and alleged I no longer fit the team and NOBODY suddenly wanted to fly or work with me any longer... for shure - after a first shock and speaking to collegues I had worked with on a daily basis for over 2 years I realised they too were in shock and could not believe what had happend and they offered me their full support in their own limited capacity; my supervisionary captains immediately supplied me with exellent references and recommendations. We continue to stay in touch to this day (thanks again "guys" if you ever read this... it will not be forgotten). If I ever receive a chance to help them out - I certainly will.
It takes a while to come to grips with these things psychologically, so having some time off to reflect what actually happend was actually a good thing - also talking to other "senior" pilots helped - just to realize, that what happened to me is actually not that special or uncommon in a carreer. This experience also helped me to realize how important it is, to cut your losses and move on. Pondering over these things or holding a grudge just does not help in any way. Take time and do stuff you did not get to do while on the job - my electric guitar certainly lost a bit of it's dust.
However I can not deny that this made me so much more aware, what to watch out for and there are human factors involved, that we can not change, also when dealing and communicating with others - especially those who you only superficially know via the company blackberry.
When asked in interviews, why I left the company, still poses a challenge to me, as I remain a bit afraid they would judge it in the wrong way, as I do prefer sticking to the truth as I have experienced it. As time of other employment now passes, this will also eventually become less of an issue for me I guess.
At least I can still look into the mirror and say I have stood up for myself and what I believe in, was tought and trained for at CRM. I did what was right for me and my passengers' safety even though the personal loss was high - losing a great team to work with and of course the financial burden to keep currency. Last but not least, I had a really good time in that company and a chance to gain a lot of experience, which I can use to my advantage in the new company I now work for.
Maybe this story can also help others, who suddenly find themselves in such awkward situations at work. That is the only reason I posted this tonight.
She threw a fit and some tears... and that was then unjustly used against me... probably because shortly before I pissed management off as I had voiced some other well meaning and genuine concerns, some on unfair rostering and others boundering on flight safety and clear violation of the OM by management (e.g. crewing together of inexperienced crew as defined therin etc.).
I could not be punished for the latter so the former was utilized to lay me off, as they claimed and alleged I no longer fit the team and NOBODY suddenly wanted to fly or work with me any longer... for shure - after a first shock and speaking to collegues I had worked with on a daily basis for over 2 years I realised they too were in shock and could not believe what had happend and they offered me their full support in their own limited capacity; my supervisionary captains immediately supplied me with exellent references and recommendations. We continue to stay in touch to this day (thanks again "guys" if you ever read this... it will not be forgotten). If I ever receive a chance to help them out - I certainly will.
It takes a while to come to grips with these things psychologically, so having some time off to reflect what actually happend was actually a good thing - also talking to other "senior" pilots helped - just to realize, that what happened to me is actually not that special or uncommon in a carreer. This experience also helped me to realize how important it is, to cut your losses and move on. Pondering over these things or holding a grudge just does not help in any way. Take time and do stuff you did not get to do while on the job - my electric guitar certainly lost a bit of it's dust.
However I can not deny that this made me so much more aware, what to watch out for and there are human factors involved, that we can not change, also when dealing and communicating with others - especially those who you only superficially know via the company blackberry.
When asked in interviews, why I left the company, still poses a challenge to me, as I remain a bit afraid they would judge it in the wrong way, as I do prefer sticking to the truth as I have experienced it. As time of other employment now passes, this will also eventually become less of an issue for me I guess.
At least I can still look into the mirror and say I have stood up for myself and what I believe in, was tought and trained for at CRM. I did what was right for me and my passengers' safety even though the personal loss was high - losing a great team to work with and of course the financial burden to keep currency. Last but not least, I had a really good time in that company and a chance to gain a lot of experience, which I can use to my advantage in the new company I now work for.
Maybe this story can also help others, who suddenly find themselves in such awkward situations at work. That is the only reason I posted this tonight.
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Yep. 'Been stabbed in the back more times I could mention. Still am today. Every day. And what could possibly be the common denominator? Well I can tell you: French, French and yet more French! Read into that what you will? Personally I am sick of them and wouldn't give any of them the time of day. 'Had a lifetime of being backstabbed by the French! F@@k em!
DEEC. $100k was for a 550 recurrent (special price as I was paying) at FSI Farnborough! Yes really!
DEEC. $100k was for a 550 recurrent (special price as I was paying) at FSI Farnborough! Yes really!
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Yep I got shafted by an austrian / german bunch of crew during an operation based in Geneva for a well known corporate operator, one in particular is a walking CRM nightmare, but of course he talked the talk with the right idiots in management making their own little empire.
And forgot to mention I got the PFO meeting just before your type rating expires.
And forgot to mention I got the PFO meeting just before your type rating expires.
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Yep. 'Been stabbed in the back more times I could mention. Still am today. Every day. And what could possibly be the common denominator? Well I can tell you: French, French and yet more French! Read into that what you will? Personally I am sick of them and wouldn't give any of them the time of day. 'Had a lifetime of being backstabbed by the French! F@@k em!
Yep. 'Been stabbed in the back more times I could mention. Still am today. Every day. And what could possibly be the common denominator? Well I can tell you: French, French and yet more French! Read into that what you will? Personally I am sick of them and wouldn't give any of them the time of day. 'Had a lifetime of being backstabbed by the French! F@@k em!
Propellerpilot
I could not be punished for the latter so the former was utilized to lay me off, as they claimed and alleged I no longer fit the team and NOBODY suddenly wanted to fly or work with me any longer
I could not be punished for the latter so the former was utilized to lay me off, as they claimed and alleged I no longer fit the team and NOBODY suddenly wanted to fly or work with me any longer
Although it gets us back to Kelly Hopper's point, getting stabbed by French (and French-speaking) people...
For fun they tried to impose some gag order on me after settling the case...
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It puts stuff into perspective to read your stories here gentlemen, especially sitting in an ivory airline seat up front with people bitching about the ****tiest things who clearly have never wandered off and seen how life outside their carrier can be. I made a few experiences with hire and fire while working in bizav and I am glad I was never in that situation.
Good luck to everyone, hope you make it back into employment again soon!
Good luck to everyone, hope you make it back into employment again soon!
