Vistajet
I read that even the CL350 has a flight attendant (unlike Netjets Europe for an aircraft of that size).
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It is still a disgusting company... RyanAir of business Aviation
If you were unemployed and/or career stuck on a type/base that makes your life miserable, ageing fast and with a pile of PFOs in your Inbox...what would you do?
Wait and networking because your time WILL come? P2F...SSTR...Vistajet...or what?
Here is a company that may or may not hire someone without a TR, bond you for x-years and (yes) pay you little while working you very hard while your career becomes suddenly unstuck. You may even find yourself floating comfortably on year x+1.
I flew with few very smart and capable chaps, they were all locals to the ops, willing to sweat buckets and stay on a small type which offered them a more challenging type of flying and a lot less money but when they asked to be bonded for the TR they were told "...company cannot afford it, it's on your tab..." and guess what? Off the went to the notorious Irish (cheap) carrier.
Because at the end IT MADE SENSE financially and (perhaps) on the long run even socially.
You lot can bash RYR, VJ and everyone else till you turn blue in the face but I have learnt that nobody is whiter than white, so to those applying I say grab VJ opportunity if it is presented to you and there is no other option.
Hope this goes back on track quickly, with fresh and useful news on VJ...
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PZ
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That's exactly why the business is what it is. Inexperienced people who accept any type of conditions to fly.
The pilots who apply for ex VJ won't be the really qualified pilots with good experience etc. Maybe they apply but for sure they will not take the deal they're offering atm.
Can't see why a CL605 TR rated guy with experience apply for a FO position with 3000€ net pay per diems included, malta base, no travelgate, no vac, ALOT of work etc. Either BD700 or CL850 for that matter.
Though I like VJs business model too bad they have these bad conditions.
The conditions above is fresh news btw
If you can prove me wrong please do so..
The pilots who apply for ex VJ won't be the really qualified pilots with good experience etc. Maybe they apply but for sure they will not take the deal they're offering atm.
Can't see why a CL605 TR rated guy with experience apply for a FO position with 3000€ net pay per diems included, malta base, no travelgate, no vac, ALOT of work etc. Either BD700 or CL850 for that matter.
Though I like VJs business model too bad they have these bad conditions.
The conditions above is fresh news btw
If you can prove me wrong please do so..
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If you can prove me wrong please do so..
The right answer is the one that provides you a break into the corporate aviation industry. If everyone could put down how they made it, I think it will be hard if not impossible to find two stories sounding more or less the same.
VJ mince no words about their T&Cs so there is no deception nor obligation and that's enough in my book. Blaming others for the world being what it is a practice that takes nowhere. In the past I was hard-nosed against SSTR (and I still am to some extent, together with P2F) but now, 10 years down the line, I think I simply don't have the guts for it so I have nobody else but myself to blame.
Do I feel better because I haven't chipped in ruining the industry?
Hell, NO! I paid my 1st TR on a crappy TP on a bond, it kept me afloat when the world economy collapsed but that was it. T&Cs were mere subsistence but I am still grateful I accepted them otherwise I would still be flying SEPs as FI. Couple of other FIs and former colleague got RYR and now fly for the likes of EK, QA, own house etc, etc.
Everything needs to be put into prospective, I guess. But feel free to flame me, altogether we won't stop anything anyway...
Safe flying chaps!
PZ
does it mean that the CSR ( they are not F/A anymore ?) is flown or ferried in/out at will ?
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Are all new positions in VJ Malta based then? The most appealing thing to me about this job was you could live where you want and commute on a fixed roster. Is this no longer the case?
Sorry, I cannot agree with you, papazulu. In the past there were ****ty jobs at small bottom feeder companies that you would take to move up to the better jobs at the bigger places.
However, Ryanair and VistaJet are big companies. And their ****ty terms and conditions are dragging those at the better places down.
OK, some, even many, pilots have made the jump from Ryanair (for example) to airlines in the Middle East. Do these guys want to spend their entire working lifes there? Didn't think so. But, what are they gonna do when they want to come back? Join BA as the most junior FO after having been a wide body captain for years?
Too often those ****ty jobs are one way streets my friends, not stepping stones.
I would rather fly a Citation for an appropriate salary than fly a Challenger for Citation money for example. I don't want to be an active part in that bloody race to the bottom.
However, Ryanair and VistaJet are big companies. And their ****ty terms and conditions are dragging those at the better places down.
OK, some, even many, pilots have made the jump from Ryanair (for example) to airlines in the Middle East. Do these guys want to spend their entire working lifes there? Didn't think so. But, what are they gonna do when they want to come back? Join BA as the most junior FO after having been a wide body captain for years?
Too often those ****ty jobs are one way streets my friends, not stepping stones.
I would rather fly a Citation for an appropriate salary than fly a Challenger for Citation money for example. I don't want to be an active part in that bloody race to the bottom.
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Well, u said it yourself 733driver:
What do u do if those jobs aren't there anymore and those operations have evaporated? I can quote an example of a buccaneer-outfit just across the RWY where I did my ATPL/FI etc....u would had paid him for a CJ TR and the u would had flown at the drop of the hat, shared a room in a 2 stars hotel etc,ect. But JAA killed many of those flies, mate.
Times have changed and here we go with the likes of RYR. Don't u think I am as unhappy as u about it?
Trust me, it is not about the kit I play with anymore, for me. It is more about setting off to a better future and an happier lifestyle.
Maybe RYR or VJ aren't a destination but just a stage of the journey...
PZ
In the past there were ****ty jobs at small bottom feeder companies that you would take to move up to the better jobs at the bigger places.
Times have changed and here we go with the likes of RYR. Don't u think I am as unhappy as u about it?
Trust me, it is not about the kit I play with anymore, for me. It is more about setting off to a better future and an happier lifestyle.
Maybe RYR or VJ aren't a destination but just a stage of the journey...
PZ
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I see Vistajet currently have vacancies for TR captains on both Global Express and the Challenger 350. Does anybody know whether they are willing to hire non type rated with a suitable bond? I sincerely hope to get in to this company in the not too distant future. Seems like a great place to work.
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Has anywhere heard from them?
Their ads on the usual websites ask for a given number of docs to be sent before the application can be processed but their online system asks just to fill boxes and attach CV, refs and pic. It there an automated confirmation email supposed to be received or what?
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Their ads on the usual websites ask for a given number of docs to be sent before the application can be processed but their online system asks just to fill boxes and attach CV, refs and pic. It there an automated confirmation email supposed to be received or what?
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VistaJet Completes $300 Million Offering
VistaJet completed a $300 million offering of unsecured notes that will help fund its aircraft acquisition activities and expansion plans. The offering, completed through VistaJet subsidiaries VistaJet Malta Finance plc and VistaJet Co. Finance llc, involves 7.750-percent senior unsecured notes due 2020. In concert with its offering, VistaJet obtained corporate credit ratings of B+/Stable from Standard & Poors and B/Stable from Fitch.
"As a first-time issuer, we are very pleased with the demand and support for this offering, which to our knowledge is the first ever unsecured U.S. dollar bond in private aviation,” said founder and chairman Thomas Flohr.
The offering comes as VistaJet moves on plans to expand globally. The company added 10 aircraft to its fleet in the first quarter, is launching its Chinese operation and is in the midst of nearly doubling its U.S. fleet this year. The company recently retired its last Learjet as it builds up its all-Challenger and Global fleet. VistaJet will use the funds from the offering for aircraft acquisition and general corporate purposes, the company said.
VistaJet completed a $300 million offering of unsecured notes that will help fund its aircraft acquisition activities and expansion plans. The offering, completed through VistaJet subsidiaries VistaJet Malta Finance plc and VistaJet Co. Finance llc, involves 7.750-percent senior unsecured notes due 2020. In concert with its offering, VistaJet obtained corporate credit ratings of B+/Stable from Standard & Poors and B/Stable from Fitch.
"As a first-time issuer, we are very pleased with the demand and support for this offering, which to our knowledge is the first ever unsecured U.S. dollar bond in private aviation,” said founder and chairman Thomas Flohr.
The offering comes as VistaJet moves on plans to expand globally. The company added 10 aircraft to its fleet in the first quarter, is launching its Chinese operation and is in the midst of nearly doubling its U.S. fleet this year. The company recently retired its last Learjet as it builds up its all-Challenger and Global fleet. VistaJet will use the funds from the offering for aircraft acquisition and general corporate purposes, the company said.
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CL350 is 80k euros for captain plus 30 euros per diem ....
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30€ wouldn't get you a cheese sandwich where I am right now!
As for the salary, 2 points of view, 1 they fund you a global rating which you might get a plum private owner job later. Or 2, it's just rubbish and out of the euro zone unlikely to be able to pay your mortgage.
Either way there are better options.
Guys in some companies able to put 5k away each month so be choosy who you be a slave for.
As for the salary, 2 points of view, 1 they fund you a global rating which you might get a plum private owner job later. Or 2, it's just rubbish and out of the euro zone unlikely to be able to pay your mortgage.
Either way there are better options.
Guys in some companies able to put 5k away each month so be choosy who you be a slave for.
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17/13?
Same here, invited for phone interview.
Can anyone from within confirm VJ still offers their crew the 17on/13off deal?
Some confusion about this issue here.
This might be a determining factor for me...
Can anyone from within confirm VJ still offers their crew the 17on/13off deal?
Some confusion about this issue here.
This might be a determining factor for me...