Phenom 100 crash in Maryland
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Phenom 100 crash in Maryland
Anyone with any news about this - weather etc?BBC News - Private jet crashes on Maryland home
The Embraer Phenom 100 crashed about one mile (1.6km) from the Montgomery County Airpark, Montgomery county fire department spokesman Pete Piringer told reporters.
Three residents in the home hit by the plane were missing, officials said.
The Embraer Phenom 100 crashed about one mile (1.6km) from the Montgomery County Airpark, Montgomery county fire department spokesman Pete Piringer told reporters.
Three residents in the home hit by the plane were missing, officials said.
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N100EQ. Rumours that it was a base to final stall / spin incident trying to make room for the C172 ahead of it. A very sad day.
A challenging question in the skills (type rating) versus ADM (getting that slow in the pattern / circuit rather than going around) debate that I continually have with myself.
A challenging question in the skills (type rating) versus ADM (getting that slow in the pattern / circuit rather than going around) debate that I continually have with myself.
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@Aphrican: Weather at accident time:
15:55 UTC / 10:55 local time:
KGAI 081555Z 05005KT 10SM OVC032 M01/M08 A3060 RMK AO1
Wind: 050 degrees at 5 knots; Visibility: 10+ miles; Clouds: overcast cloud deck at 3200 feet AGL; Temperature: -1°C; Dewpoint: -8°C; Pressure: 1036.3 mb
More here: ASN Aircraft accident Embraer EMB-500 Phenom 100 N100EQ Gaithersburg-Montgomery County Airport, MD (GAI)
15:55 UTC / 10:55 local time:
KGAI 081555Z 05005KT 10SM OVC032 M01/M08 A3060 RMK AO1
Wind: 050 degrees at 5 knots; Visibility: 10+ miles; Clouds: overcast cloud deck at 3200 feet AGL; Temperature: -1°C; Dewpoint: -8°C; Pressure: 1036.3 mb
More here: ASN Aircraft accident Embraer EMB-500 Phenom 100 N100EQ Gaithersburg-Montgomery County Airport, MD (GAI)
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@Safe-T. If the rumours are true, any possible icing on the Phenom would have only made things worse when it was low and slow. Temps at the base of the clouds was right around the dew point depending on the lapse rate.
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The owner of the aircraft (who is likely but not certain to have been the pilot) has a history at KGAI.
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there is at least one published report saying the owner was CEO of a research company in north carolina and was the pilot.
sounds like a case of an owner operator of a very light jet, (req only ONE pilot) getting behind the plane.
while icing in descent is an interesting additional factor, you do not slow to an unsafe speed just to follow a C172. You go around, you do S turns, or even a 360 on final.
anyone know the final apch speed for the jet? reports a of a major fire indicate the plane still had fuel on board.
sounds like a case of an owner operator of a very light jet, (req only ONE pilot) getting behind the plane.
while icing in descent is an interesting additional factor, you do not slow to an unsafe speed just to follow a C172. You go around, you do S turns, or even a 360 on final.
anyone know the final apch speed for the jet? reports a of a major fire indicate the plane still had fuel on board.
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He might be a Doc who became a businessman.
This might also be the first fatal, single pilot, VLJ accident.
So very sad no matter what lead up to it.
This might also be the first fatal, single pilot, VLJ accident.
So very sad no matter what lead up to it.
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Raleigh, North Carolina newspaper account. Yes, a doctor who became a businessman. Also says he was the pilot in the 2010 accident. May all rest in peace.
CHAPEL HILL: Chapel Hill businessman, five others killed when jet crashes in Maryland | Orange County | NewsObserver.com
CHAPEL HILL: Chapel Hill businessman, five others killed when jet crashes in Maryland | Orange County | NewsObserver.com
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interesting about previous accident , seemingly involving a LOSS OF CONTROL of a turbo prop plane a the same airport. I would think ONE crash would be enough for anyone to give up , if they were not a pro pilot.
sad of course...one report had it that the mother was pregnant, some would say 7 died, not six.
anyone have the report on the previous accident?
interesting about previous accident , seemingly involving a LOSS OF CONTROL of a turbo prop plane a the same airport. I would think ONE crash would be enough for anyone to give up , if they were not a pro pilot.
sad of course...one report had it that the mother was pregnant, some would say 7 died, not six.
anyone have the report on the previous accident?
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My thoughts go out to everyone involved in this accident. Especially the mother and two children who perished on the ground. So easy to get behind the aircraft on approach and fixate on the wrong things. Stuff happens very fast in a jet and if your not monitoring your airspeed on approach it could end up with this result. Not saying this is what happened but it sounds like a single pilot dealing with a lot of distractions. May all rest in peace.
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A man's got to know his limitations.
Doctor pilots, businessman pilots, anyone whose primary focus is on other than being a pilot pilots. I was one, and at the time I got away with it. About 20 years ago I decided to let the real pro's fly me around so I wouldn't be a danger to myself and others.
I enjoy flying and aviation technology, but being my own corporate pilot - those days are over.
I enjoy flying and aviation technology, but being my own corporate pilot - those days are over.
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thcrozier...the silicon coast? ventura , nice place.
YOU ARE VERY WISE> I met someone in silicon valley that wanted me to teach them how to fly. I explained it would take some time and dedication on their part, THEY LECTURED ME ON HOW EVERYTHING I DID COULD BE DONE BY A COMPUTER.
I didn't teach them.
They made headlines 25 years later, but not the good kind.
YOU ARE VERY WISE> I met someone in silicon valley that wanted me to teach them how to fly. I explained it would take some time and dedication on their part, THEY LECTURED ME ON HOW EVERYTHING I DID COULD BE DONE BY A COMPUTER.
I didn't teach them.
They made headlines 25 years later, but not the good kind.
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What a waste of lifes.
So easy to avoid, same with the Kennedy Jr. accident.
Perfectly good airplanes crash becuase of amateur pilots loose control.
So easy to avoid, same with the Kennedy Jr. accident.
Perfectly good airplanes crash becuase of amateur pilots loose control.
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Previous Incident
Probably this:-
ERA10CA155
The pilot of the single-engine turboprop was on an instrument flight rules (IFR) flight and cancelled his IFR flight plan after being cleared for a visual approach to the destination airport. He flew a left traffic pattern for runway 32, a 4,202-foot-long, 75-foot-wide, asphalt runway. The pilot reported that the airplane crossed the runway threshold at 81 knots and touched down normally, with the stall warning horn sounding. The airplane subsequently drifted left and the pilot attempted to correct with right rudder input; however, the airplane continued to drift to the left side of the runway. The pilot then initiated a go-around and cognizant of risk of torque roll at low speeds did not apply full power. The airplane climbed to about 10 feet above the ground. At that time, the airplane was in a 20-degree left bank and the pilot applied full right aileron input to correct. The airplane then descended in a left turn, the pilot retarded the throttle, and braced for impact. A Federal Aviation Administration inspector reported that the airplane traveled about 100 feet off the left side of the runway, nosed down in mud, and came to rest in trees. Examination of the wreckage by the inspector did not reveal any preimpact mechanical malfunctions, nor did the pilot report any. The reported wind, about the time of the accident, was from 310 degrees at 10 knots, gusting to 15 knots.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident to be:
The pilot’s failure to maintain aircraft control while performing a go-around.
A not dissimilar LoC accident.
ERA10CA155
The pilot of the single-engine turboprop was on an instrument flight rules (IFR) flight and cancelled his IFR flight plan after being cleared for a visual approach to the destination airport. He flew a left traffic pattern for runway 32, a 4,202-foot-long, 75-foot-wide, asphalt runway. The pilot reported that the airplane crossed the runway threshold at 81 knots and touched down normally, with the stall warning horn sounding. The airplane subsequently drifted left and the pilot attempted to correct with right rudder input; however, the airplane continued to drift to the left side of the runway. The pilot then initiated a go-around and cognizant of risk of torque roll at low speeds did not apply full power. The airplane climbed to about 10 feet above the ground. At that time, the airplane was in a 20-degree left bank and the pilot applied full right aileron input to correct. The airplane then descended in a left turn, the pilot retarded the throttle, and braced for impact. A Federal Aviation Administration inspector reported that the airplane traveled about 100 feet off the left side of the runway, nosed down in mud, and came to rest in trees. Examination of the wreckage by the inspector did not reveal any preimpact mechanical malfunctions, nor did the pilot report any. The reported wind, about the time of the accident, was from 310 degrees at 10 knots, gusting to 15 knots.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident to be:
The pilot’s failure to maintain aircraft control while performing a go-around.
A not dissimilar LoC accident.
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N100EQ. Rumours that it was a base to final stall / spin incident trying to make room for the C172 ahead of it. A very sad day.
Question: How responsive are the engines to throttle commands on the Embraer Phenom 100?
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