Mustang or Phenom 100?

[clivewatson]

Would anyone who actually operates these types please be kind enough to share advantages and disadvantages of each in respect of in service reliability and realistic range/payload data with EUOPS reserves.

Thanks in anticipation.

[fire1982]

Hello,
i fly the phenom 100, now commercial and before private.
with the mustang nothing to compare...the phenom is fastest,more big on the cabin entrance and baggage,
have separated bathroom with closing door, range are quite the same,with 4 pax private you can reach 1000nm.
on commercial operation is more strict...4 pax you have about 900nm. Cost are the same of the mustang regarding maintenance and operative cost.
If you have to choose,no way for the mustang.
this is my opinion after have tried both aircarft with Easa req.
For any other info,feel free to contact me on my email: [email protected],
Regards,
Alessio

[Brizeguy]

Limited options for maintenance on the Phenom although I'm led to believe this is improving.
Mustang very reliable and easy to maintain. Getting more difficult as Cessna drive out authorised service centres to take all mx in house.
Usual Citation landing gear corrosion issues so good winter cleaning program required.
Not sure what level of OEM support you'd get on the Phenom when handlers prang the bog cart into your jet.
Not sure what engine program you'd get on the Phenom but Cessna wouldn't allow PWC to run a program for the 615 so you'd have to use Cessna's Power Advantage. I'd just pay money into a standalone account and give the programs a miss however bean counters can dip in and leave you stuffed when you reach 3500 hours.

[crazy_max]

There is really nothing to compare, two different animals here.
The Phenom is bigger, faster, more range. It does not mean it's better, just not in the same category.

[Beacon_Outbound]

I fly a Phenom 100 as per EASA regs. Reliability wise, they are very good. They had their minor teething troubles in the early days several years ago but these have been ironed out. OEM support from Embraer is excellent, with a major support base at Le Bourget in Paris & several authorised service units elsewhere around europe. AOG support has also been very good when required. Service schedules / checks are not at all onerous.

Range / payload data is somewhat dependent upon destination, which alternates are available and where they are. If you are operating commercially, with two crew and want to land with 30mins holding fuel + sensible alternate, UK to south of France is achievable with 4 passengers.

With regards to cabin comparison, I agree with the above posts. Almost all prefer the Phenom cabin which is more spacious. The Phenom toilet is actually a private, usable facility at the back of the cabin in its own space (in the Mustang it is between the passengers and the flight crew and is encompassed by a curtain for privacy). The hold space in the back of the Phenom is also very big for its class, easily big enough to hold several standard large suitcases / skis / bags.

Happy to answer any questions you may have - please feel free to reply here or PM me if you wish.

[fire1982]

sorry..but on the operation manual of the mustang and also in the flash card it s writing that is approved only for paved surface. This according with EuOPS regulation.
The only aircraft certificate for that operations is the new Pilatus PC 24.

[Brizeguy]

Grass strips all legit for the Mustang. It's in supplement 6 of the AFM. Check out link https://twitter.com/abbasair/status/512234733934096386

[SammySu]

Nice, I've flown into Compton Abbas (beautiful airfield and a lovely day out) and I've also landed a 15ton jet on a short grass strip. But that one had vectored thrust..... Wouldn't dream of doing it in a 510. At least he's in the uphill easterly direction in that pic, any Mustang drivers care to comment on whether stopping on 800m of grass, or departing (presumably lightweight) would be the limiting pucker factor?

[clivewatson]

Thank you for the information.

[hawkerxp]

I've landed a number of jets on grass dirt and gravel... If the book says it will do it, It will do it pretty comfortably without the pucker factor.

[aramarcos]

Hello,

Some of the Phenom 100 pilots, has already used grass taxiways?

Thank you!