Biz Jets, Ag Flying, GA etc. The place for discussion of issues related to corporate, Ag and GA aviation. If you're a professional pilot and don't fly for the airlines then try here.

Salaries...

Old 13th Mar 2013, 18:22
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: germany
Age: 47
Posts: 265
Salaries...

Latest I heard in Germany: 1400€ gross for a C525 FO in Germany...2200€ gross for a C605 FO, SSTR plus fees for the six ldgs is deducted from the salary, work contract is only offered after the TR...

Cecco
Cecco is offline  
Old 13th Mar 2013, 19:41
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London
Posts: 275
Not worth considering.
OutsideCAS is offline  
Old 13th Mar 2013, 20:53
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: European Union
Age: 39
Posts: 49
Latest I heard from Austria: 1.800 - 2.000 EUR as F/O on a Hawker, have to be typed, experienced on type and move to Vienna.
Max Payne is offline  
Old 13th Mar 2013, 20:58
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Home Counties
Age: 41
Posts: 476
And on the other end of the scale, I met someone recently in Turkey on $10k Net per month with free rating and 2 weeks on/2 weeks off flying an AOC CL30

Last edited by Globally Challenged; 13th Mar 2013 at 20:59.
Globally Challenged is offline  
Old 14th Mar 2013, 05:24
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: USA/Europe/Central Asia
Posts: 160
2012 Salary Survey from Pro Pilot Magazine
FO Postion
Super Midsize Jets

Average Low High
Challenger 300 73,000 58,000 83,000
Citation X 78,000 64,000 89,000
Embraer Legacy 68,000 53,000 80,000
Falcon 50/50EX 74,000 56,000 85,000
Gulfstream G200/Galaxy 67,000 52,000 80,000
Hawker 4000 (Horizon) 73,000 58,000 83,000

Midsize jets

Citation III/VI/VII 58,000 49,000 73,000
Citation Excel 56,000 46,000 63,000
Citation Sovereign 62,000 52,000 78,000
Falcon 20/200 51,000 40,000 63,000
Gulfstream G100/G150/Astra 57,000 48,000 71,000
Hawker 600/700 54,000 38,000 62,000
Hawker 800/800XP/1000 63,000 52,000 76,000
Hawker 850/850XP/900/900XP 67,000 53,000 79,000
Learjet 35/36 50,000 39,000 58,000
Learjet 40/40XR/45/45XR 58,000 48,000 67,000
Learjet 55/60 60,000 51,000 71,000
Westwind I/II 45,000 34,000 54,000
noneya is offline  
Old 14th Mar 2013, 08:31
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: central europe
Posts: 42
is this Euro or US-$?

one cannot compare gross € (EU) and gross $ (US) as health insurance, pension ... is all deducted from the gross salary!

Is threr such a table also for EU-€?
Energetic Pilot is offline  
Old 14th Mar 2013, 08:34
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: USA/Europe/Central Asia
Posts: 160
Its in $..... It is put out in Pro Pilot once a year, from a survey of the industry.

Never seen one over here in Europe with Pounds or Euro's.
noneya is offline  
Old 14th Mar 2013, 16:20
  #8 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: germany
Age: 47
Posts: 265
For FOs, it΄s generally around 2000€-2300€ gross for light jets. @Noneya, your salary survey is too good to be true...
Cecco is offline  
Old 14th Mar 2013, 18:29
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Europe
Posts: 298
Nope. Not too good to be true. The Salaries in Germany and Austria are just too low. The survey covers mostly the USA and also looks at charter, fractional and corporate separatelly IIRC
733driver is offline  
Old 15th Mar 2013, 01:48
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: USA/Europe/Central Asia
Posts: 160
Cecco I did not make them up they come straight out of Professional Pilot Magazine.

Here is another exert for Heavy Jets..
Captain
Heavy intl jets


Average Low High
Airbus ACJ318/319 145,000 127,000 180,000
Boeing 727 124,000 102,000 145,000
Boeing 737/BBJ 145,000 127,000 175,000
Challenger 600/601 118,000 89,000 148,000
Challenger 604/605 125,000 97,000 164,000
Falcon 7X 133,000 101,000 171,000
Falcon 900/900EX 129,000 98,000 170,000
Global Express/Global 5000 146,000 108,000 191,000
Gulfstream IV/G450 134,000 99,000 167,000
Gulfstream V/G550 145,000 113,000 182,000

First officer/copilot
Heavy intl jets


Average Low High
Airbus ACJ318/319 92,000 76,000 108,000
Boeing 727 86,000 69,000 96,000
Boeing 737/BBJ 92,000 77,000 111,000
Challenger 600/601 76,000 68,000 88,000
Challenger 604/605 84,000 74,000 97,000
Falcon 7X 91,000 76,000 104,000
Falcon 900/900EX 90,000 75,000 103,000
Global Express/Global 5000 92,000 77,000 105,000
Gulfstream IV/G450 89,000 75,000 100,000
Gulfstream V/G550 92,000 77,000 109,000
noneya is offline  
Old 15th Mar 2013, 09:55
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Only upon request
Posts: 848
Those in Germany can thank Gerhard Shroeder and his "2010 agenda" launched back in 2003.
Sure Germany is or has been competitive as an investor point of view (and as for tourists).
But for how long? Once the wealth of babyboomers will have been spent, I wonder... I am also afraid Chinese will soon be kindly invited to buy more local.

If you compare the Gross salaries vs Net, my experience is that the difference can vary up to 4 times within Europe!
And please don't compare with offshore salaries...
FLEXJET is offline  
Old 15th Mar 2013, 15:09
  #12 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: germany
Age: 47
Posts: 265
Ok, so the survey is accurate...however, in Germany and Austria, FO salaries are atrociously low, Switzerland is ok. I don΄t know about other European countries...anybody from the UK or France step forward please...

Cecco
Cecco is offline  
Old 15th Mar 2013, 16:20
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Home Counties
Age: 41
Posts: 476
From memory, my net pay in the RHS of a NJE excel with a UK gateway was in the region of £3100 per month + something like £800-900 per diems (€4600 with today's rate)

I took redundancy and a free rating to fly for a private owner on a UK based CL30 (working significantly less than I used to) for a net of £2800 + something like £650 per diems (€4000 with today's rate)
Globally Challenged is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2013, 12:28
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Up north
Posts: 1,611
The Pro pilot "average" salaries, but with a € sign in front of the number, is probably a good reference point if you ask me. That number should come with daily allowance, health insurance and a pension though.
CaptainProp is offline  
Old 19th Mar 2013, 09:49
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: very North
Posts: 51
I'm starting to feel ripped off now
Wetdream is offline  
Old 19th Mar 2013, 12:58
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: central europe
Posts: 42
Cpt. Prop,

this means for an CL604/5 F/O 84.000 EURO gross + per diems?

hm, too optimistic!

You can be glad to get that figure as Cpt.
Energetic Pilot is offline  
Old 19th Mar 2013, 13:45
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Home Counties
Age: 41
Posts: 476
I would say £60-70k gross for a rated RHS CL604/5 is reasonable (particularly for the UK market)
Globally Challenged is offline  
Old 20th Mar 2013, 08:12
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: central europe
Posts: 42
You are absolutely right, Joe l.t. These figures may be realistic in UK but not on the crazy German/Austrian Market. Here you ll never get 80k EUR gross as an CO, rated or not. If yes tell me where ;-)
Energetic Pilot is offline  
Old 20th Mar 2013, 08:17
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: European Union
Age: 39
Posts: 49
Solution: Avoid German / Austrian companies.
Max Payne is offline  
Old 20th Mar 2013, 08:39
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Worldwide
Posts: 1,445
Originally Posted by Max Payne View Post
Solution: Avoid German / Austrian companies.
Agree, Austrian in particular, they are really bringing down the T&C

Couple of year ago I was offered a job as Captain on long range business jet for 72,000 Euro, I kindly declined. But they found someone at the end.

I understand that there are pilots desperate to get a job, but they are not doing any favour to anyone, them included.
flydive1 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.