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Old 25th Nov 2012, 09:06
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salary BBJ F/O

Anyone know what the current range for a typerated BBJ F/Os in Europe/Russia is? Gross!
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What's your total time, time in type, other types, and amount of international experience?

Thanks,

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FrankR has an answer for everything..you are amazing !
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they're not that gross, they're just a tarted up airliner.
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they're not that gross, they're just a tarted up airliner.
Just don't ask Tom for the flap retraction schedule!

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That looks rather low ball to me.
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what iKnow of Russia :+/- 6000 € , perdiems, and 15on/off.
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Well thank you for the compliment JR.

By the way, I asked a question, which is why there is a "Question mark" at the end of the sentence. I asked the question since salary for BBJ pilots varies considerably. There are plenty of low TT 737 FOs with type ratings, many former airline captains who are rather burned out, and only a handful of true VVIP long-haul BBJ pilots with significant time on type.

Your answer of $6000 euro a month is about what a very junior guy (or experienced cabin attendant) would earn on a month on month off contract for a true VVIP position.

As a side note, Hauxan is run by a guy named Bill Zheng, I don't think he is really recruiting for BBJ pilots. He deals mostly with airliners and Donghi jet, who have 605's and 300's

... that's all I know for now

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Hi Frank!
I have 5500hrs TT, 1500 in B737 in Airline Operation. Both Airline and executive experience, no long-haul ex.

Thanks for your advice

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Anyone with figures????
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Pro Pilot 2012 salary study:

Corporate:

Low: $77K

Average: $92K

High: $111K

Charter:

Low: $60K

Average: $81K

High: $103K

"International salaries" only give Captain's pay....

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and this is captains pay on a bbj?

I got more on a C525....
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Stay there then !
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Here is the whole salary study:

http://www.safetystanddown.com/wp-co...2-lyt_June.pdf
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@ Energetic - No. The person that started the thread named it "salary BBJ F/O"...so perhaps FO salary...?

Edit - Just realized that it was YOU who started the thread?! Why are you asking if the quoted salaries are Captain pay when you asked for FO salary?!?!

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For Captain's pay add $50-70K to the FO numbers...roughly....
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@ cpt prop - I understood your above figures aer Cpt figures - now I got it
Can the "salary study figures" be transferred 1:1 to Europe/Russia?
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Maybe you could figure it out by yourself,no ?
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Oh Gawd.................Why do we bother to try and help people who won't help themselves?
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@cambioso: itīs ok, leave it. Same stupid answers like in the german counterpart pilots.de
-> there IS a difference between the two sides of the atlantic regarding gross and net salary!
Unbeleivable. A specific question requires a specific answer - too hard for some of you.
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 13:37
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Energetic,

I feel your pain. Remember that PPRune is an open forum, and some pilots here fly only the airframes built by Microsoft, while others are 300 hour guys living in some obscure place. Some are really upset, and use this as a place to vent their anger at life. .. Please take these insults with a grain of salt, and don't take it personally.

Your question is rather complex. The best answer is "It depends". If you are looking in a job in an Eastern European country, and they are advertising for local pilots only, or ones who are "Native speakers" or ones with "An existing right to work in Latvastan", then they will most likely not want an outsider, regardless of pay expectations and experience. These folks will need to hire ex-airline guys as BBJ pilots are few and far between.

So my estimate is that pay for this type of operation will be around the scale for locals at the low cost airline.

As for a BBJ being a 737, it's true, it really is a 737-700 with -800 gear and PATS tanks to give it range. However, there are many operational issues along with the ability to interact with high net worth individuals that make it difficult for some to make the jump. We just looked for three months for a few "real" BBJ guys with no luck.

If your BBJ is advertising for guys with say 1,000 hours of BBJ time, and lots of long haul international private ops, then you will be at the scale that I emailed you earlier.

Illegitimi non carborundum!

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