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Old 25th Oct 2012, 16:24
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Ryanair buys new private jet to shuttle staff

Somewhat old news but seems the Irish Independent have just caught up/on;

Ryanair buys new private jet to shuttle staff - National News - Independent.ie
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Hmmmmmm,

This machine kept on the IOM registry which I understood was for private ops only. How can the transport of execs and crew positioning be private????
Are they on board for leisure or business purposes on behalf of Ryanair???

As usual the rules are bent to suit the situation....................
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SF, that is still private transport. No AOC required.
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there has been a mention of this before, AOG spares, crew sickness.
Mr OL knows the press will be snapping him if he's seen on it i suspect....
That said why not he's a businessman
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Cldvr,

Sorry but its transport at the behest of the company so a public transport operator is needed......

Otherwise why not have it on the Liberian register and have a PPL pilot?

As with most things to do with RYR its a cost cutting disgrace, why don't they do it properly and put it on the company AOC?

IOM is for private ops only, moving crews around is part of their business so its NOT private...........its part of their business.
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SF,

I fear you are wrong. FR use the exec jet to move employees and spares around. It us an internal company operation. Seats / trips from A to B are not sold outside the company. So an AOC is not required.

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SF you are so wrong, any business that uses an aircraft as a tool for business purposes, them being an airline, an engineering company or a financial institution that only carries its employees does NOT need an AOC, never have and never will.

You may want to familiarise yourself with the requirements a bit before you post such nonsense here.

The CAA and JAA are very clear in this matter, not sure what makes you so confused.
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Cldvr,

Nonsense????? Confused?????



Glad I don't work in your outfit.............
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Stress Free - you are talking out of your (profile location).

I work for a big international company, flying solely company employees and execs. We are all employees of said company, and no AOC is required. There is no public transport....
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Well folks, I'm flying for a FTSE company and when its got other execs on board we're bound by our AOC, when it's just the owner it can be private........

Maybe some of us have higher standards than others.................
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Maybe some of us have higher standards than others.................
Higher standards? Is that why you AOC boys are statistically more likely to kill yourself????

No matter what you say SF, you are not going to make up for your ignorance.
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Stressfree wrote

Sorry but its transport at the behest of the company so a public transport operator is needed......

Otherwise why not have it on the Liberian register and have a PPL pilot?

As with most things to do with RYR its a cost cutting disgrace, why don't they do it properly and put it on the company AOC?

IOM is for private ops only, moving crews around is part of their business so its NOT private...........its part of their business

Absolutely loath Ryanair, all it stands for and don`t have too much respect for its employees or passengers, but what on earth are you talking about? You don`t need an AOC for that operation- period, end of story, not under any CAA, under any circumstances.
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Cldvr,

Many thanks for your usual charming response.........

CRM refresher for you I feel, thats if you've ever done the initial.......

Goodnight gentlemen, whatever our views we're all in the same game so keep safe, regards to all.
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Seats / trips from A to B are not sold outside the company.

Ah, but how much are those inside the company charged for the privilege?

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whatever our views
SF, there is only one view, that is the legal one. So why don't you just own up to your mistakes instead of hiding behind excuses and garbage.
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ah hang on - who owns your airplane then? The FTSE company or a private individual (say the CEO of the FTSE) who tries to make charter revenue back by chartering it back to the FTSE company through a management co and AOC when on company business?

That would not be as straight forward as a company owned jet, carrying company employees, on company business..... which does not need an AOC......
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StressFree, you do seem awfully stressed...

The fact is that if the people or parts being transported are not paying (whether directly or indirectly) for the transportation then it is not a public transport operation and if it is not a public transport operation no AOC is required.

Relax!

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Surprised

What surprises me, considering MOL is involved, is that the aircraft isnt a single pilot approved aircraft. Money to be saved here....MOL starting to slip?
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Ryanair buys new private jet to shuttle staff

Do the staff have to pay to use the toilet???
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Do they have to pay for sandwiches?
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