Leaving Airline for GA - where to find a job?
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Leaving Airline for GA - where to find a job?
Hey Guys,
there are some older threads out there, but just wanna get a up to date view from you concerning flying biz.
I started on a C 550 for a few month, got a job offer on Airbus 320 within Europe and there was only one decision for me: head towards the bus... getting a rating paid these days is not too bad.
Always looking back for the more attractive part of flying in GA.
I'm still low houred (800h Bus, 1200h tt) but would like to change the outfit. The airline-thing is ok, but money is not that great right know and would like to have a more stable rouster like 15/15 or whatever and to be back in GA.
To be honest, I would appreciate a large Jet, but even on small types time on type + rating is required.
So what to do?
I absolutely do not gonna pay for a rating and hope the best to find a job afterwards.
Reading all the time here on pprune that everywhere t&c are turning downwards, even in the former "glamoures" companies like comlux etc....
Are there still some good companies out there operating Airbus?
The time is not that good to find a job at all, but is there any chance to find a job let's say with 1500h tt on an Airbus or on other mid/large jets, but non rated..? Would fly anything, but APU is appreciated
So don't get me wrong, just would like to hear some opinions about changing career again, where to look for jobs and things like that!
Thanks in advance for your input...
there are some older threads out there, but just wanna get a up to date view from you concerning flying biz.
I started on a C 550 for a few month, got a job offer on Airbus 320 within Europe and there was only one decision for me: head towards the bus... getting a rating paid these days is not too bad.
Always looking back for the more attractive part of flying in GA.
I'm still low houred (800h Bus, 1200h tt) but would like to change the outfit. The airline-thing is ok, but money is not that great right know and would like to have a more stable rouster like 15/15 or whatever and to be back in GA.
To be honest, I would appreciate a large Jet, but even on small types time on type + rating is required.
So what to do?
I absolutely do not gonna pay for a rating and hope the best to find a job afterwards.
Reading all the time here on pprune that everywhere t&c are turning downwards, even in the former "glamoures" companies like comlux etc....
Are there still some good companies out there operating Airbus?
The time is not that good to find a job at all, but is there any chance to find a job let's say with 1500h tt on an Airbus or on other mid/large jets, but non rated..? Would fly anything, but APU is appreciated
So don't get me wrong, just would like to hear some opinions about changing career again, where to look for jobs and things like that!
Thanks in advance for your input...
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Do yourself a favor...stay where you are !
Concentrate on what you have and not what you could have had...just a good principle if you want to be happy and move forward !
Concentrate on what you have and not what you could have had...just a good principle if you want to be happy and move forward !
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Are you ****#*#*~~** crazy???!!!
This is an insult for me. Im trying to escape the GA, looking for a job in the airline. No one, but no one, is considering me, even with the hours on bizz jet.
Please, stay on the bus. Money is not good in GA at all!! Think about your marketvalue please.
Gosh, i hope this was a sarcastic joke of you.
This is an insult for me. Im trying to escape the GA, looking for a job in the airline. No one, but no one, is considering me, even with the hours on bizz jet.
Please, stay on the bus. Money is not good in GA at all!! Think about your marketvalue please.
Gosh, i hope this was a sarcastic joke of you.
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Hey guys,
thanks for replying!
Was afraid that this might happen...
I'm not in a good airline like BA, LH, etc! I get paid peanuts, I'm away from home with no real good solution to travel home, cause there are often only 36h off...
It's not a problem to stay there for let's say two more years! But it's no place where I wanna get old!
So where to go? LH is no option anymore. AB is going down, no real perspective. BA? Some Cargo operators, that's it within Europe!
Or did I missed some good outfits? Please let me know!
Become a contractor a la KAL and commute? Not really, no future as F/O
But Stick35, I'm absolutely aware about this problem! To get out of GA towards Airline flying is not that easy, and my decision would be a one-way thing!
What jobs do you want to have with good t&c, the chance of a more or less stable life with family and stuff like that?
I know that GA flying ist not always that nice & cool, but being an Airline-Bus-Driver has nothing to do with flying...
But I think I got the point you all are aiming at, have to think about all that ones again, but as you might have noticed, I'm a bit lost about which direction to take for the future...
Cheers!
thanks for replying!
Was afraid that this might happen...
I'm not in a good airline like BA, LH, etc! I get paid peanuts, I'm away from home with no real good solution to travel home, cause there are often only 36h off...
It's not a problem to stay there for let's say two more years! But it's no place where I wanna get old!
So where to go? LH is no option anymore. AB is going down, no real perspective. BA? Some Cargo operators, that's it within Europe!
Or did I missed some good outfits? Please let me know!
Become a contractor a la KAL and commute? Not really, no future as F/O
But Stick35, I'm absolutely aware about this problem! To get out of GA towards Airline flying is not that easy, and my decision would be a one-way thing!
What jobs do you want to have with good t&c, the chance of a more or less stable life with family and stuff like that?
I know that GA flying ist not always that nice & cool, but being an Airline-Bus-Driver has nothing to do with flying...
But I think I got the point you all are aiming at, have to think about all that ones again, but as you might have noticed, I'm a bit lost about which direction to take for the future...
Cheers!
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For the sober facts..
.. I suggest calling Mr. Bausch for his opinion at the Arbeitsagentur Frankfurt; then check the minimum requirements on job sites; and then just try to be as snug as a bug until you become very desired elsewhere. Give it 1 - 5 years, and your log book will be the thing that shall keep you motivated clicking buttons. Just my 2 ct...
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I think Mr Bausch left a year ago or so... no support from Frankfurt anymore! Costsavings everywhere!
anyway, thanks for your help! Maybe I just have to wait for some time and see what happens! Hopefully economy will turn up again and the gras will become greener for all of us!
anyway, thanks for your help! Maybe I just have to wait for some time and see what happens! Hopefully economy will turn up again and the gras will become greener for all of us!
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and would like to have a more stable rouster
You are crazy if you want to leave an airline job for corporate because you want a more stable roster - it's just not going to happen.
Have you considered going part-time (don't know if you can do 75% or something where you are right now)? That would give you more time at home and still allows you to gain hours on the fancy Airbus. Have you considered Swiss? Not sure about the current situation, but a few months ago they were looking for direct-entry A320 F/Os.
Quality of life / work is great here in Switzerland. Of course you'd still have to go through their selection process, but it's well worth it.
Bottom line - all the REALLY good corporate jobs get filled by word-of-mouth - you'll never see a job ad for one that's having excellent Ts and Cs.
I would definitely stick around another year or two to get above 2000hrs. You don't have an ATPL, you don't have a lot of hours. Stay!
The grass is most def. not always greener on the other side, and there's probably a football stadium full of pilots who would take your job in a heartbeat!
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Herr Max,
A wise post above stated that:
''Bottom line - all the REALLY good corporate jobs get filled by word-of-mouth - you'll never see a job ad for one that's having excellent Ts and Cs.''
In your position I would, therefore: Find one of the rare few true gentlemen in a position of authority in Corporate/G.A., for example Peter Hartmann of Premium Jet, Xavier le Donne of Global Jet, or the sadly deceased Torben Jorgensen of Execujet, etc., and try to prove your worth to him. You start small; be flexible; keep schtum when you actually want to bitch and moan; try to get along with the weird and wonderful varied characters in our business (we're all a bit wacko, however to this day I've yet to meet somebody who really has absolutely nothing of worth to contribute); build your hours; don't scare the pax; don't get creative with the company-card; listen when given advice; read the AFM; be reliable; don't be a overbearing know-it-all when entrusted with responsibility; know your place in the hierarchy; and be polite. In our job everybody knows everybody! Keep your nose clean and the good jobs will come. This can take a great many years to achieve, mind. The good jobs most certainly are out there, and the very top ones beat the majority of the airline gigs hands-down, salary- roster- and conditions-wise. I know because many of the people I started with are in the airlines.
See you on the line
A wise post above stated that:
''Bottom line - all the REALLY good corporate jobs get filled by word-of-mouth - you'll never see a job ad for one that's having excellent Ts and Cs.''
In your position I would, therefore: Find one of the rare few true gentlemen in a position of authority in Corporate/G.A., for example Peter Hartmann of Premium Jet, Xavier le Donne of Global Jet, or the sadly deceased Torben Jorgensen of Execujet, etc., and try to prove your worth to him. You start small; be flexible; keep schtum when you actually want to bitch and moan; try to get along with the weird and wonderful varied characters in our business (we're all a bit wacko, however to this day I've yet to meet somebody who really has absolutely nothing of worth to contribute); build your hours; don't scare the pax; don't get creative with the company-card; listen when given advice; read the AFM; be reliable; don't be a overbearing know-it-all when entrusted with responsibility; know your place in the hierarchy; and be polite. In our job everybody knows everybody! Keep your nose clean and the good jobs will come. This can take a great many years to achieve, mind. The good jobs most certainly are out there, and the very top ones beat the majority of the airline gigs hands-down, salary- roster- and conditions-wise. I know because many of the people I started with are in the airlines.
See you on the line
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Dare I say it? Many jobs, corporate and airline are long hours, low pay, many nights away from home.
You may want to consider options outside of aviation if these are what you value...
You may want to consider options outside of aviation if these are what you value...
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Believe me, i know what's reality out there!
But it's not too bad trying to catch one of those better jobs...
No problem to be not at home, that's what we choose with our flying career. Just looking for are better job/life balance.
solar panel dealer is not an option at all...
But it's not too bad trying to catch one of those better jobs...
No problem to be not at home, that's what we choose with our flying career. Just looking for are better job/life balance.
solar panel dealer is not an option at all...
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I have your sought-after corporate job. Lots of time off, not flying, nice house, company car, low cost of living and good salary.
But no time AWAY, even though I have an annual leave in the contract, no one seems to be able to say how to schedule one, as these are the first contracts that included this provision. The crew-coordinator suggested that it was easier to just get paid for the annual leave not taken(!)
So time away becomes recuurent, medical and when the aircraft is in maintenance.
Balance is warped, but the pay is so good, it is also hard to walk away from unless there is a good position waiting.
Not griping at all, stating the facts so that you donīt think that everyone has 15/15 or similar. Increasingly operators in ME are requesting that their crews are based there, so I am afraid this may be the wave of the future until there is a serious shortage of pilots again!
Now if my family could easily move here, then we would have a good family-life, but that assumes selling a business and speaking French, so there you are......you pay your penny and you choose your tune....
But no time AWAY, even though I have an annual leave in the contract, no one seems to be able to say how to schedule one, as these are the first contracts that included this provision. The crew-coordinator suggested that it was easier to just get paid for the annual leave not taken(!)
So time away becomes recuurent, medical and when the aircraft is in maintenance.
Balance is warped, but the pay is so good, it is also hard to walk away from unless there is a good position waiting.
Not griping at all, stating the facts so that you donīt think that everyone has 15/15 or similar. Increasingly operators in ME are requesting that their crews are based there, so I am afraid this may be the wave of the future until there is a serious shortage of pilots again!
Now if my family could easily move here, then we would have a good family-life, but that assumes selling a business and speaking French, so there you are......you pay your penny and you choose your tune....
McMax try Condor, they are still looking for pilots. How about TNT, they hire guys like you onto 777 and 744, and Liege is close to Cologne. Or Aerologic.
Otherwise maybe wait until your upgrade, I heard it isn't too long for you guys.
Even if you could join AB today you would have to live on a first officers salary for some 17 more years, the captain's salary at your gig is likely higher.
Otherwise maybe wait until your upgrade, I heard it isn't too long for you guys.
Even if you could join AB today you would have to live on a first officers salary for some 17 more years, the captain's salary at your gig is likely higher.
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Hi, stay with the airline although the salary is not the best but in GA it's even worse! Try to get 1000hrs on the Bus and then look for a job on an ACJ, back in GA but in the high level of GA-flying.
