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Old 7th Sep 2012, 12:51
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Patience I feel your post is spot on, and I am glad you amended the comment on the finance people, who I feel we're doing an impossible juggling task with one arm tied behind their backs. I do however feel you have omitted one person who may have had a hand in the demise, namely IL.

Best of luck to everyone, it's was an experience I will never forget, hope you all find something else soon !

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Old 7th Sep 2012, 14:27
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ML - Agreed re your additional name.

If it is true that we were being wantonly destroyed from within at the very highest level, then we never had a chance.

Good luck everyone - and no regrets; OCS certainly had its moments!
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 14:35
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Arrow Why the stampede?

I do however feel you have omitted one person who may have had a hand in the demise, namely IL
Theory #1: IL did in fact at first try to save OCS UK. He either proposed a hike in fees/contract-adjust or became majority shareholder etc (- I've no idea, I'm guessing) or something rather unpalatable to the owners of 15 planes or so. They all took off. Then he chased after them and tried to get them to join 'a new enterprise'..effectively making himself Middle Man between the owners and the new parent company (pick a small AOC holding company in need of a nice offer), using their AOC/Despatch/Crewing etc operation while keeping Moscow Ops as the main field office as it was before.

Theory #2 IL knew OCS UK was untenable, saw his big chance and deliberately put the wind up them ("the end is nigh!") then told them not to worry, he had a solution already for them (see Theory#1). They bolted out the door in a hurry, some may have gone with him (??) and some would have gone straight to competitors. Time will tell. If true, he killed off a company (made sick by the inabilities of people-recently-departed to get their house in order) that under the new MD in a post-RS/TS era (and a little help from KPMG etc) just might have been turned around (or maybe not, but now we will never know).

I think Theory#2 is more likely from what I have picked up on, but I'm sure everyone will post their own variations.

A damned fine company to work for. Finally destroyed by a selfish f*
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 16:44
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So, what exactly has been shut down? The handling and brokerage is still going?
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 20:23
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Hi Phil

FBO and engineering continue to offer service with a smile. Just the airline that's going south.

Steve
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 20:41
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man there's just no green grass in this industry any more!
is it you Twinjetter? are you a bloody jinx?
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 20:52
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Yeah thanks very much for that Tom, is that sirens i hear again?? :-) Hope you're well mate.

Can i just say that there are some great ops and client comms staff in the LTN area right now ready to seek new challenges asap. Anyone know of any decent vacancies? Let me know and i'll pass on to my guys.
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 21:02
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Phil your post is brilliant. Handling and brokerage still ok?
..translation..
Can I bid you in the balls to handle us and is there any business I can snaffle?

Careful on the approach at EGGW. Formation of large birds, possibly vultures, have been reported..
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Old 8th Sep 2012, 11:12
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You mean the other Russian crook Irakly, in it from day one when KT started the company, correct if I am wrong.
You are correct - he was always there, lurking in the shadows right from the beginning. Lots of dubious things would happen while he was over in Moscow - apparently no one has bank accounts out there, and all charters are paid for with suitcases full of cash! And what a lovely new BMW he had.......
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Old 8th Sep 2012, 13:27
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Interesting reading..

Easy to throw stones at recent years, the rot was truly settled in from the start.

If the goal had really been about having a business that could self fund and make a profit it would have been easy enough to do, however this was clearly not the goal from the outset and too many people not interested in this, the outcome = these long term losses would never allow an easy fix for the future.

There have been some great people here and it is a real shame they never given the real chance to more things forward.

Shady middle men, Smoke screens, Chinese whispers, and Stupid rumours have done nothing but accelerate this process and made the job of so many so hard.

Here's hoping that lessons learnt, and the decent people get the jobs they deserve....
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Old 8th Sep 2012, 17:51
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If the goal had really been about having a business that could self fund and make a profit it would have been easy enough to do, however this was clearly not the goal from the outset and too many people not interested in this, the outcome = these long term losses would never allow an easy fix for the future.
So if that wasn't the goal, what was it?

I agree that some rot was there in the beginning, however there were also people there who would say "No" to TS and he'd listen. Sometimes he would get his own way, but not always. It's when the people who would say "No" left, and were replaced with "Yes" men - that's it started to slip away, and quickly.
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Old 10th Sep 2012, 05:38
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Cool Manchester

Manchester Engineering has always and will always be profitable with low overheads, years of engineering experience, small efficient work force and the only FBO in the airport. With its own cost centre it will be a great place to bring your aircraft. Meanwhile it's business as usual so if your your Lear 45,60, Challenger 601/604/605/850, Global 5000/Express/Citation needs attention, rest assured you will get the service you deserve.
For those who have been around a long time, the NEA culture still fills the hanger!!
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Old 10th Sep 2012, 11:50
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Could not agree more

You wont get a better team to look after your A/C No Bullshit no Fancy Saville Row Suits no surplus of Managers/Assistant managers/Friends of Managers.

Just a bunch of people who will get there hands dirty to finish a Job

and there is still NEA Aura in the Air

Regards


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Old 10th Sep 2012, 17:21
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Simples, top heavy management in it for themselves hiring their mates S Grimes and A Hughes most guilty of this.

Junior T Sardarov realised he had [email protected] up again by employing these muppets SG and AH who were only in it for themselves.

S Grimes only motive was a willy waving exercise to get one over on Harrods.

A Hughes, living in a world of his own calling himself accountable manager with big ideas but completely out of touch giving his mates fictitious jobs.

Could not agree more, especially A Hughless had never any idea on how to run a business,
Nepotism kept him aloft. A real disgrace for all the staff which did good work but never had a chance under those condition getting cheated by all the top players like, SG, AH, TS & Irakly alike etc.

TS, will probably get a new company by the senior Sadarov so he can screw up one more time.

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Old 10th Sep 2012, 19:56
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Well said coopervane. Long may it continue.

Every customer satisfied says a lot.
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Old 11th Sep 2012, 17:40
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Ditto

The Heart of the FBO still beats. Engineering is still in good hands.
A great team which I miss dearly.
Good Luck to all my old colleagues and mates, hope the old NEA spirit continues.
Lewis x
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Old 13th Sep 2012, 12:18
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Ocean Sky name taken down from hangar at Manchester this morning
any more info on what is happening?

Ian

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Old 13th Sep 2012, 16:20
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Re-branding to separate themselves from the stench of dead and decaying companies within the Group?

What could the new brand name be?
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Old 13th Sep 2012, 17:19
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Oceans Apart
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Old 13th Sep 2012, 17:33
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Springheeledjack - like it

You should work in advertising!...sharp suits, fast cars, glass-clad city offices, and a limitless company Credit Card. Erm, hold on, you're not ex-Ocean Sky are you?
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