Corporate or Airline?
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Corporate or Airline?
Could somebody please give me any advice on corporate flying? I've been doing my own research, but it would be great if those with experience could let me know who, if any, are the best owners or companies to work for. Any tips would be gratefully received.
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Hello!
Have you also tried the "Search" function of this forum? This topic comes up every second week.
Define "the best" first, please. Most corporate pilots that I have met over the years are individualists who have their own idea of how to conduct their lifes. The best employer is always the one who allows _you_ to live _your_ life beside the job. I for example hate long range flying and being away from home for more than two or three days in a row. I value being home most evenings higher than the size of the aircraft, the money I earn or a fixed duty roster. I also like doing other professional and private activities beside flying (none of which can be performed from a hotel room somewhere in some desert), therefore my best employer must allow part-time employment with the off-days spent at my home base (and not in some hotel room in some desert). Luckily I have found my personal best employer, but I doubt that you would be as happy as I am doing my job.
Therefore please give us some hints of what you think is important about good emploment and we might be able to point you in the right direction!
Happy landings
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I've been doing my own research...
... but it would be great if those with experience could let me know who, if any, are the best owners or companies to work for.
Therefore please give us some hints of what you think is important about good emploment and we might be able to point you in the right direction!
Happy landings
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Thank you very much for your frankly patronising reply. I'm not some cadet just starting out and with a young, don't have the luxury of searching every page on this forum. I was only asking for some advice. If you and your helpful nature are what they're looking for in the corporate world, I think I'll stay where I am.
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what next took the time to write a long and interesting response to you, and you aren't grateful......
Sounds like an excellent idea 
Mutt
If you and your helpful nature are what they're looking for in the corporate world, I think I'll stay where I am.
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Hello again!
Sorry, this was really not my intention. But I'm not a native English speaker (Bavarian intead, a language even most Germans don't understand 
) so maybe I just picked the wrong words.
On the other hand, you just joined one of the longest established pilot forums on the internet (where have you been all those years?) and asked a question that has been asked hundreds of times already without telling us the least bit about yourself. What do you expect?
I have given you the answer that I usually give to my students (instructing is one of my favorite - yes, I really enjoy doing it! - off-duty activities) when they ask me if it's worth applying for jobs in business aviation. To everybody his own.
One caveat comes to mind before I shut down my computer for the night: If you really intend to work with one of the "best" companies in corporate aviation, this will mean joining the queue at the end. Whatever your previous experience has been, you will start as co-pilot (or first officer if you prefer - I never did) on their smallest airplane.
Good luck,
max
... frankly patronising reply. I'm not some cadet just starting out ...
) so maybe I just picked the wrong words.On the other hand, you just joined one of the longest established pilot forums on the internet (where have you been all those years?) and asked a question that has been asked hundreds of times already without telling us the least bit about yourself. What do you expect?
I have given you the answer that I usually give to my students (instructing is one of my favorite - yes, I really enjoy doing it! - off-duty activities) when they ask me if it's worth applying for jobs in business aviation. To everybody his own.
One caveat comes to mind before I shut down my computer for the night: If you really intend to work with one of the "best" companies in corporate aviation, this will mean joining the queue at the end. Whatever your previous experience has been, you will start as co-pilot (or first officer if you prefer - I never did) on their smallest airplane.
Good luck,
max
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No need to apologise Max!
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Your English is excellent, and I'm sad to say that you put a lot of native English speakers to shame, judging some some of the grammar, spelling and punctuation errors I see on this forum daily!
I see that the OP alg has yet to come back and reply, and I'm still not convinced that he isn't a troll.........
Your English is excellent, and I'm sad to say that you put a lot of native English speakers to shame, judging some some of the grammar, spelling and punctuation errors I see on this forum daily!
I see that the OP alg has yet to come back and reply, and I'm still not convinced that he isn't a troll.........
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alg, are you still a regional airline flight attendant? (See, "Search" can be useful). If so, it may have been wise to make that clear in your original post.
In the corporate flight environment where I work, it's very rare for there to be FAs on a flight and I would imagine it's similar in many other places. Charter, on the other hand, has many clients who request an FA. I would certainly think you would have a better chance of employment in charter work rather than corporate.
I'm based in the US, it may be different in Europe.
In the corporate flight environment where I work, it's very rare for there to be FAs on a flight and I would imagine it's similar in many other places. Charter, on the other hand, has many clients who request an FA. I would certainly think you would have a better chance of employment in charter work rather than corporate.
I'm based in the US, it may be different in Europe.
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Hi Alg.
This issue of flying corporate vs. airline is a rather heated debate, which crops up here most every month.
I'm sure you would have been treated better had you prefaced your question by saying that you were currently a FA for an airline, and wanted to switch over.
... There is lots for you to learn, as it's quite a different job with a vastly different skills and perspective, but a much better deal for cabin crew.
For sure it's a different story than for the pilot side of the door.
PM me (or post) if you have specific questions.
FR
This issue of flying corporate vs. airline is a rather heated debate, which crops up here most every month.
I'm sure you would have been treated better had you prefaced your question by saying that you were currently a FA for an airline, and wanted to switch over.
... There is lots for you to learn, as it's quite a different job with a vastly different skills and perspective, but a much better deal for cabin crew.
For sure it's a different story than for the pilot side of the door.
PM me (or post) if you have specific questions.
FR
Alg,
Dont take ppl's replies in here personal. I think bottom line is that the same (your question) question has been asked over and over again and the same ppl have taken their time to reply the same replies again and again.
Whatever you have done in life before you should by now know that there are no short cuts and in this case searching the pprune forums will lead you to answers.
Best of luck,
Klimax
Dont take ppl's replies in here personal. I think bottom line is that the same (your question) question has been asked over and over again and the same ppl have taken their time to reply the same replies again and again.
Whatever you have done in life before you should by now know that there are no short cuts and in this case searching the pprune forums will lead you to answers.
Best of luck,
Klimax
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I have see both and my answer would be definately Airline. At least in Europe, corporate world pilots have poorer contractual terms than in the airlines business. Not talking about entrylevel positions now but on a longer run. Ryanair and Norwegian are ofcourse a chapter of their own.
Take the first job that is offered and work your way up from there. On the way you will see which one is better for you.
Take the first job that is offered and work your way up from there. On the way you will see which one is better for you.
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ALG:
corporate or airline...while there may be a very rare exception now and then, the answer is : AIRLINE PILOT is the best job.
after all, the pilot license you hold isn't a CORPORATE Transport PILOT LICENSE, its an AIRLINE TRANSPORT Pilot LIC (cert).
There are some exceptions of course...but the airline pilot has the best flying job (civilian).
corporate or airline...while there may be a very rare exception now and then, the answer is : AIRLINE PILOT is the best job.
after all, the pilot license you hold isn't a CORPORATE Transport PILOT LICENSE, its an AIRLINE TRANSPORT Pilot LIC (cert).
There are some exceptions of course...but the airline pilot has the best flying job (civilian).
I did 11 years of airline flying with two different flag carriers. Surely it the right choice for most hamsters. But if one actually likes the smell of jet A and mingling around real airplanes the corporate and private aviation has a lot more to offer than running around the wheel. Nothing is only good. As far as I'm concerned airline flying sucks - but I think someone already said - it really depends on the employer and the customer(s) as well. In an airline environment the customers doesn't matter, you dont get to see them anyways. In corporate/private aviation you are more in touch with what is going on and you can actually make a difference and feel you made your money worth. I wouldn't have been without the airline experience - at least now I can say I did it, learned a lot from it, and know with good faith at its no fun.
Good luck with you choice
Good luck with you choice
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Airline is a good way to start.But after some years it gets boring.I do both half a month regional airline the other half air taxi.In the end it depends a lot on you personal preferences.
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Yes true. But in the end I still believe that airline will offer you more stability (if there is any left in this business) which is not affected by the mood changes of owners, corporate management etc.. most of the time you are more in charge of your personal life with airlines than with bizjet companies.
But definately you get to fly to more intersting places in biz aviation than with airlines. With airlines you "can" just be a number. It also has it benefits
But definately you get to fly to more intersting places in biz aviation than with airlines. With airlines you "can" just be a number. It also has it benefits
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airline is where all the proper sensible pilots work.
corporate is where all the wierdo's hang out.
I know cos I are one.
Tom
(but you don't get to keep a rhino in your room in the airlines..)
corporate is where all the wierdo's hang out.
I know cos I are one.
Tom
(but you don't get to keep a rhino in your room in the airlines..)
