Italians new tax..... SNAFU
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Hello!
I can't give you any additional information, but after reading the document in the link I can confirm that the tax is being levied as decided in December 2011. This document is about the formalities of how to collect the money. It confirms again, that all Italian private aeroplanes and all foreign private aeroplanes that stay within the Italian territory for more than 48 hours are subject to taxation.
Is there anyone that can give more information and confirm that?
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Thank you what next,
Now I think is really suggested to stay away from italian airports and look for alternative airports outside the Country (as I said in a previous post Lugano for Milan area for example), or consider a passenger drop and repositioning of the aircraft in case of stops of more than 48 hours.
Now I think is really suggested to stay away from italian airports and look for alternative airports outside the Country (as I said in a previous post Lugano for Milan area for example), or consider a passenger drop and repositioning of the aircraft in case of stops of more than 48 hours.
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This new luxury tax became law back in December. There was a hastily and badly written addition to include all privately operated aircraft as opposed to just Italian registered aircraft for which it was originally intended. The law makers have until February 6th to advise how (and indeed if) this law is to be enforced, when and where the tax will be collected etc and finalise the legislation.
The Italians don't know how this is going to work and it's suspected that it will revert to apply to Italian registered aircraft as was originally drafted or worst case that non Italian aircraft will be charged on a pro rata basis. Either way, it's bad news for Italian GA.
Maybe we will hear something more definite during the week
The Italians don't know how this is going to work and it's suspected that it will revert to apply to Italian registered aircraft as was originally drafted or worst case that non Italian aircraft will be charged on a pro rata basis. Either way, it's bad news for Italian GA.
Maybe we will hear something more definite during the week
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Are you sure that they have time until february 6th? From the link that I posted three posts above this, seems that the final decision has been taken already (the document has been taken from the official italian revenue agency (taxation office) website and is dated 3rd of february. Unfortunately it is only in italian but i'll keep looking for the english version...
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The company I deal with in Italy told me that whilst it is law already, it is the implementation, enforcement and practicalities of the new legislation that is to be decided by February 6th. Despite it already being law nobody knows how the tax is to be collected, where it is collected or by who!
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No worries, the Italian government will create a new agency staffed by political cronies and relatives. The budget of the new agency will exceed the income produced from the new taxes. 
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Besides the many issues of this new tax, such as the actual benefit of it to Italy, the issues mentioned by peter337 can someone please confirm whether this will be on a prorata basis (which i seriously hope) or not.
E.g. if staying for a 3 day long weekend on Elba, Sardinia or any other enjoyable place
, I sincerely hope (naively?) that one get's charged only 3/365 of the fee... and not get wacked with the full amount. I hope, but you never know with authorities... Does any one have a view of this?
Needless to say, if one gets slammed with the full yearly amount for staying e.g. 2.5 days, then the GA based touring, including weekend stays, will diminish significantly...
E.g. if staying for a 3 day long weekend on Elba, Sardinia or any other enjoyable place
, I sincerely hope (naively?) that one get's charged only 3/365 of the fee... and not get wacked with the full amount. I hope, but you never know with authorities... Does any one have a view of this?Needless to say, if one gets slammed with the full yearly amount for staying e.g. 2.5 days, then the GA based touring, including weekend stays, will diminish significantly...
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...can someone please confirm whether this will be on a prorata basis (which i seriously hope) or not
No, yearly only. The new parking fees at Elba will prevent you from staying there over the weekend anyway...
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Jeeesus, there goes my plans to visiting Elba and Venice Lido again, and my plan to go to Sardinia or similar for the first time... I'm really frustrated by this...
I really hope the Italians and their lobbyists get their act together to come up with something more pragmatic for short term stays, rather than flogging the visitor with the full year taxation!
I really hope the Italians and their lobbyists get their act together to come up with something more pragmatic for short term stays, rather than flogging the visitor with the full year taxation!
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Jeeesus, there goes my plans to visiting Elba...
In case you didn't read everything: Aircraft that are operated by flying schools, aeroclubs and other training organisations are excempt from the tax, maybe that applies to you?
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My jet owner wants to go to Sicily end of march for a week in a Citation 550 what will he have to pay for the privalage of leaving it there for the week?
How does this tax work as surely it must be different if you fly in there in a Falcon or a PA28 ?
Only way around would be to drop him and leave jet at Malta? any better ideas?
Pace
How does this tax work as surely it must be different if you fly in there in a Falcon or a PA28 ?
Only way around would be to drop him and leave jet at Malta? any better ideas?
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Pace,
1. Malta would be your best bet from there, and the fuel is a LOT cheaper.
2. It's based on MTOW. Any Falcon would attract a substantially larger fee than a PA28, but you know that already...you posted details about the charges previously.
1. Malta would be your best bet from there, and the fuel is a LOT cheaper.
2. It's based on MTOW. Any Falcon would attract a substantially larger fee than a PA28, but you know that already...you posted details about the charges previously.
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My Italian agent has told me yesterday that the tax is NOT paid by overseas registered/owned aircraft. Only if Italian registered.
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So is this tax in place now or not ?
How this is supposed to be enforced and who, if anyone, will actually be tasked with enforcing it is still the subject of speculation. Keep in mind that the tax is not due as soon as your wheels touch Italian soil, but only after 48 hours of uninterrupted stay, and tax authorities need to be able to prove it or charges won't stick. Read into that what you will...
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It appears that the tax has questionable legality:
Von: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
Gesendet: Montag, 13. Februar 2012 18:04
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Your Europe Advice enquiry 100562
Dear Sir/Madam,
Please find below the reply to your enquiry. Please note that the advice
given by Your Europe Advice is an independent advice and cannot be
considered to be the opinion of the European Commission, of any other EU
institution or its staff nor will this advice be binding upon the European
Commission, any other EU or national institution.
Dear Mr Pirker,
In the frame of its decreto-legge no 201 salva italia of 6th December
2011 the Italian government is indeed about to impose a significant tax on
all private use aircraft, including gliders and balloons, whether they be
registered in Italy or transcients from other countries. Article 14 bis of
the decreto-legge seems to impose the tax on foreign registered aircraft
that remain in Italy for more than 48 hours with the possible consequence
that a foreigner visiting or conducting business in Italy in an aircraft or
2 days must pay the same amount as does the Italian resident for an entire
year. This could mean for you that you have to pay a lump sum of 450 per
year if you fly to Italy with your glider or balloon and stay there for
longer than 48 hours.
Once applicable, Article 14 bis of the decreto-legge could therefore indeed
pose a problem under European law:
It could discriminate EU citizens who are not resident in Italy against
Italian residents and and it could form an obstacle to the functioning of
the European Internal Market.
Incidentally, the imposition of taxes on foreign registered aircraft may
contravene provisions of Article 15 of the International Civil Aviation
Organisation’s Convention on International Aviation.
As far as we know, the Italian Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association has
already approached the European Commission and the Italian government on
this issue.
You can download the decreto-legge under
download.repubblica.it/pdf/2011/senato3.pdf and the ICAO Convention on
International Aviation on
UNHCR | Refworld | Convention on Civil Aviation ("Chicago Convention").
Finally, the Italian Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association’s statements
on this problem are available under
A.O.P.A. Italia - Aircraft Owners and Pilot Association.
Yours sincerely
Your Europe Advice
[mailto:[email protected]]
Gesendet: Montag, 13. Februar 2012 18:04
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Your Europe Advice enquiry 100562
Dear Sir/Madam,
Please find below the reply to your enquiry. Please note that the advice
given by Your Europe Advice is an independent advice and cannot be
considered to be the opinion of the European Commission, of any other EU
institution or its staff nor will this advice be binding upon the European
Commission, any other EU or national institution.
Dear Mr Pirker,
In the frame of its decreto-legge no 201 salva italia of 6th December
2011 the Italian government is indeed about to impose a significant tax on
all private use aircraft, including gliders and balloons, whether they be
registered in Italy or transcients from other countries. Article 14 bis of
the decreto-legge seems to impose the tax on foreign registered aircraft
that remain in Italy for more than 48 hours with the possible consequence
that a foreigner visiting or conducting business in Italy in an aircraft or
2 days must pay the same amount as does the Italian resident for an entire
year. This could mean for you that you have to pay a lump sum of 450 per
year if you fly to Italy with your glider or balloon and stay there for
longer than 48 hours.
Once applicable, Article 14 bis of the decreto-legge could therefore indeed
pose a problem under European law:
It could discriminate EU citizens who are not resident in Italy against
Italian residents and and it could form an obstacle to the functioning of
the European Internal Market.
Incidentally, the imposition of taxes on foreign registered aircraft may
contravene provisions of Article 15 of the International Civil Aviation
Organisation’s Convention on International Aviation.
As far as we know, the Italian Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association has
already approached the European Commission and the Italian government on
this issue.
You can download the decreto-legge under
download.repubblica.it/pdf/2011/senato3.pdf and the ICAO Convention on
International Aviation on
UNHCR | Refworld | Convention on Civil Aviation ("Chicago Convention").
Finally, the Italian Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association’s statements
on this problem are available under
A.O.P.A. Italia - Aircraft Owners and Pilot Association.
Yours sincerely
Your Europe Advice