Would you hire a Sim Instructor?
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Yeah, it just illustrates the silliness that is perpetrated on this forum....
You got at guy that sits in the back of the box, that teaches this stuff, talks about it in class all day, but somehow in here, on the internet, when he gets in a plane, he doesn't know what he's doing..
Most of the time I come to PPRUNE to get a laugh.
You got at guy that sits in the back of the box, that teaches this stuff, talks about it in class all day, but somehow in here, on the internet, when he gets in a plane, he doesn't know what he's doing..
Most of the time I come to PPRUNE to get a laugh.
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For corporate aviation the reality is, it comes down to the person, and being adaptable and being able to make a decision for ones self.
One of my best mates is ex-mil, really has he act together and a great GA operator, three other guys I have worked with all ex-mil were completely certifiable. One was a complete fruitcake (including rasins), the other was a more than capable hands on pilot could flyh is type across the land in the middle of the night at zot feet scaring the bejesus out of cows, however in civvy street and without a co-pilot, a defensive systems operator and an offensive systems man giving him course guidance…….. he was so far behind the op he should have stayed in the lav. The third guy was so out of his depth that he was gifted a HQ operational position…… simply to get him off the line.
There is a lot more to the safe and economical operation of corporate jets than hiring the best of the best of the best, yes captain sir……… In our experience the best of the best have been worse than the rest.
Getting back to the question…..
Yes, provided they had some experience on the line. A young one straight from flight instruction, with a type rating and a few hundred sim hours…… no.
Someone who has flown the line, has real experience (read –category) under their belt, and sim training time….. anyday of the week.
One of my best mates is ex-mil, really has he act together and a great GA operator, three other guys I have worked with all ex-mil were completely certifiable. One was a complete fruitcake (including rasins), the other was a more than capable hands on pilot could flyh is type across the land in the middle of the night at zot feet scaring the bejesus out of cows, however in civvy street and without a co-pilot, a defensive systems operator and an offensive systems man giving him course guidance…….. he was so far behind the op he should have stayed in the lav. The third guy was so out of his depth that he was gifted a HQ operational position…… simply to get him off the line.
There is a lot more to the safe and economical operation of corporate jets than hiring the best of the best of the best, yes captain sir……… In our experience the best of the best have been worse than the rest.
Getting back to the question…..
Yes, provided they had some experience on the line. A young one straight from flight instruction, with a type rating and a few hundred sim hours…… no.
Someone who has flown the line, has real experience (read –category) under their belt, and sim training time….. anyday of the week.
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Speaking from personal experience, I can assure you, there is a surprising number of pilots I see in the sim that have no business in an aeroplane. Never mind a jet. But they somehow managed to get a flying job. I have to say, no one has a monopoly on intelligence or ability. Private, Civilian or Military.
Personal preference will always be, exactly that.
And, any sim instructor with decent experience and ability should be a gem for any flight operation.
I've heard it said many times in my career, 'those who can, fly. those who can't, instruct.' Nothing could be more idiotic, insulting or further from the truth. Unfortunately, some have that opinion. Some even believe it to be true and that's an even greater insult.
Good instructors rarely get cut loose to fly because they're too good at what they do. How can that be bad for anyone?
Willie
Personal preference will always be, exactly that.
And, any sim instructor with decent experience and ability should be a gem for any flight operation.
I've heard it said many times in my career, 'those who can, fly. those who can't, instruct.' Nothing could be more idiotic, insulting or further from the truth. Unfortunately, some have that opinion. Some even believe it to be true and that's an even greater insult.
Good instructors rarely get cut loose to fly because they're too good at what they do. How can that be bad for anyone?
Willie
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Hiring a pilot is culling for what you need in your operation..
I might also add, that not everyone is cut out for shooting approaches to minimums, flying single pilot, spending endless hours listening to a captain drone on about his stamp collection...flying the same route, over and over and over...
I'll give anyone a chance to 'step up'...a few questions on the phone is usually enough to cull most people from an interview.
I might also add, that not everyone is cut out for shooting approaches to minimums, flying single pilot, spending endless hours listening to a captain drone on about his stamp collection...flying the same route, over and over and over...
I'll give anyone a chance to 'step up'...a few questions on the phone is usually enough to cull most people from an interview.
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Generalisation
Looking from the other side.
Most / many / several sim instructors have never been in the real aircraft, and not flown it.
They teach from the book, and not from experience.
Back to the original question: A good instructor, with regular flying on type, and in the real world.. (not circuits at SAV), should be a good
asset for the company and the cockpit. The benefits far outweigh the disadvantages.
The ability to know exactly where in the POH, Performance manuals to find the once per five year procedures is a good asset.
Cat 2, and EFTO every week....total electrics fail every month....( in SIM).
Now for the sales pitch: 2500 hours on G450/G550, and 600 hrs in the sim.
I alternate between SIM and AC, I hope all benefit... I learn as much from the SIM as I do the aircraft, and am pleased to enable free exchange of experiences.
Glf
Most / many / several sim instructors have never been in the real aircraft, and not flown it.
They teach from the book, and not from experience.
Back to the original question: A good instructor, with regular flying on type, and in the real world.. (not circuits at SAV), should be a good
asset for the company and the cockpit. The benefits far outweigh the disadvantages.
The ability to know exactly where in the POH, Performance manuals to find the once per five year procedures is a good asset.
Cat 2, and EFTO every week....total electrics fail every month....( in SIM).
Now for the sales pitch: 2500 hours on G450/G550, and 600 hrs in the sim.
I alternate between SIM and AC, I hope all benefit... I learn as much from the SIM as I do the aircraft, and am pleased to enable free exchange of experiences.
Glf
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I had plenty of line flying before Siming
Plenty of previous line experience, in AOC, and private ops on many types. I payed for my own TRI on a Hawker 700, and progressed from there.
Line trainer on Challengers (601), and then similar on Gulfstream 550.
Alternate between a week or so freelancing, and a week or so in the SIM.
This is the perfect balance: today I was SIC, on an initial TR: did locked controls, zero flap landing, 35k X wind take off and landing in simulated Russian winter snow storm.
Then finished off with smoke in the cockpit, and evacuation.
Tomorrow I do a line trip. Hope not so exciting.
If I may be so bold, I have seen many good pilots and many bad pilots, and most of those who are sim instructors, with recent regular line flying are the best.
But I do know one, who has 1h30 mins of real flying, and many in the sim, who was actually more a ground instructor, got a job doing the line training for a new G550 owner. He learned how to "manage the aircraft" on the line. Not the best option.
Glf
Line trainer on Challengers (601), and then similar on Gulfstream 550.
Alternate between a week or so freelancing, and a week or so in the SIM.
This is the perfect balance: today I was SIC, on an initial TR: did locked controls, zero flap landing, 35k X wind take off and landing in simulated Russian winter snow storm.
Then finished off with smoke in the cockpit, and evacuation.
Tomorrow I do a line trip. Hope not so exciting.
If I may be so bold, I have seen many good pilots and many bad pilots, and most of those who are sim instructors, with recent regular line flying are the best.
But I do know one, who has 1h30 mins of real flying, and many in the sim, who was actually more a ground instructor, got a job doing the line training for a new G550 owner. He learned how to "manage the aircraft" on the line. Not the best option.
Glf
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As many have stated, it depends on the individual and his/her ability to perform in the 'real' airplane. A sim instructor will most likely be well versed on systems, procedures and such, but if long out of the cockpitmay be unfamiliar with how it really works. I flew with a Flight Safety Citation instructor years ago and had to verbally encourage and subsequently manipulate controls on landing to satisfy my comfort zone.
Recommend Chief Pilot or supervisor fly with the guy/gal and determine if he/she is fit to fly.
Good luck!
Bingo
Recommend Chief Pilot or supervisor fly with the guy/gal and determine if he/she is fit to fly.
Good luck!
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Isn't the most important thing to hire the right, likeable person who fits in with the rest of the team, is motivated to get the job done and gets along with the owner / operator?
I've seen it all: young lads being hired right into the right seat of a dream airplane, SIM instructors with close to zero actual experience on type being asked to join a fight department etc..
It's all a matter of timing and bumping into the right people at the right moment.
I've seen it all: young lads being hired right into the right seat of a dream airplane, SIM instructors with close to zero actual experience on type being asked to join a fight department etc..
It's all a matter of timing and bumping into the right people at the right moment.
