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Old 17th May 2012, 08:13
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indeed pace, and i wasn't having a dig at you. as i said, 'it kind of comes across'. i was making no judgement as loyalties, just commenting on perceptions.

i have to agree with you on the total incompetence by a dangerous, arrogant fool.
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Old 17th May 2012, 11:29
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The only point I did make was that the work was subcontracted out to a third party ie Weaver.
It would be normal having subcontracted out for that initial ferry company to request and hold details and proof of the pilot qualifications and currency as well as suitability to do the ferry.
Not just for the insurance but as duty of care to their client.
I feel sorry for the owner of that lovely aircraft

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Old 17th May 2012, 15:54
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indeed pace, and i was making the point that the company that contracted the work to weaver puttheir hands up and admitted they took weaver at his word and as such dropped the ball and have since updated their internal processes.

likewise weaver also has duty of care to the aircraft owner, the company that contracted the work to him compliance with the regulatory body and the company that placed him as the named insured, which he was fully aware that he was qualified to be.

even so, it was weavers actions that turned the aircraft into a glider.
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Old 17th May 2012, 18:01
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I would also like to know what a supposed 13000 hr pilots place was in the whole scheme of things?
He may not have been officially the Captain or P1 or whatever but it was still his life at risk and the guy had a full set of controls in front of him?
Before you jump at saying I am excusing Weavers actions I am not! I see Weaver as a good talker with very poor piloting skills who more than likely would ask a more experienced pilot along to make decisions while he sat there recording the hours and taking the glory if it had gone fine.
I personally will never mess with fuel as cutting it fine is putting yourself in the lap of the gods but it is still a relevant question regarding the experienced high hours pilot on board.
As stated the person I feel sorry for is the owner of a Brand new Seneca Five
Who entrusted his pride and joy to people he thought were professionals.
Now even with a good repair he has an aircraft which will always carry an accident record and will never achieve a resale value anything like the value it should do.

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Old 17th May 2012, 20:51
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i have to agree with you pace.

just as an aside, i'm not jumping at anything, i'm just giving an opinion on perceptions, nor looking at getting into a d1ck waving contest.

though as conjecture as to the very pertinent points you raise:

I would also like to know what a supposed 13000 hr pilots place was in the whole scheme of things?
weaver knew he didnt have the capacity or ability to do what he put himself into and probably talked this guy into 'mentoring' him or by being a party that actually did meet the legal requirements.

He may not have been officially the Captain or P1 or whatever but it was still his life at risk and the guy had a full set of controls in front of him?
for what we understand, 13khr guy saved the aircraft from total loss and weaver from gaining the title of 'the deceased'.

I see Weaver as a good talker with very poor piloting skills who more than likely would ask a more experienced pilot along to make decisions while he sat there recording the hours and taking the glory if it had gone fine.
yep, i think you are on the money, along with weaver denying and responsibility if it went tango uniform, which it did and he did.

I personally will never mess with fuel as cutting it fine is putting yourself in the lap of the gods
it's beyond inexperience, it is in fact dangerously negligent and incompetent. cutting it fine is playing fast and loose with your life, other people's lives and property.

As stated the person I feel sorry for is the owner of a Brand new Seneca Five
me too.

Now even with a good repair he has an aircraft which will always carry an accident record and will never achieve a resale value anything like the value it should do.
personally i would be spitting blood !
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Old 17th May 2012, 21:41
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Yes but I am a lowley 6k Captain and I would never sit my arse in an aircraft specially for that sort of trip that I don't have a clue about either the performance or the fuel planning of.

It just wouldn't happen. And some ginger dick head telling me "it will be oK" will not change that fact.
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Old 17th May 2012, 23:43
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I agree mad..... The hairs would of been standing on the back of my neck... the lack of proper planning must of shown...

Alarm bells should of gone off with that Microsoft flight simulator flight plan!
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Old 9th Jul 2012, 22:14
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I'm sorry, three in one posting is just too many to allow to pass.

...would HAVE been standing...
...planning must HAVE shown...
...bells should HAVE gone off...
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 12:31
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Low cost ferry pilot ę Contract pilot tales

Interesting....
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Old 27th Aug 2012, 03:39
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Seriously? ...and I was enjoying PPRuNe again. Will check back again in January to see if this ridiculous Weaver biz has finshed.
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Old 27th Aug 2012, 07:46
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I must admit it's frustrating to see that the whole business has taken so long for the authorities to investigate and action. Sadly it would appear that RW continues in his activities, seemingly in another country (as his base) to try to avoid the actions of the investigating authorities.

I doubt that any of the RW information would have raised it's head again had RW been placed on bail conditions or remanded pending trial to stop further activities by him which have resulted in more people losing money.

I have no doubt that RW must be feeling the financial "pinch" as his activities have been exposed, in turn he has become more devious, this is evidenced by his latest activities and peoples loss, details of which can not be disclosed upon here (yet).

There is still a considerable amount of money that is owed to various people by RW in admitted debts. It would seem he has now set up bank accounts outside the UK to avoid repayment of these people. If anyone reading this has done business with Weaver and has made a payment into a non UK bank account for services offered by him then please PM me and I will pass the information on. This will of course be done in confidence.

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Old 27th Aug 2012, 08:37
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If anyone IS reading it here, the chances are that they would NOT have done any business with him in the first place, so your plea seems like a long shot to me.

If Weaver is now established elsewhere and free to operate, obviously not much action was taken, if any, by the "various authorities" that you were liaising with.

Since the Weaver thread was locked, has he actually been arrested? I guess not.
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Old 27th Aug 2012, 10:31
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Sooty,

You make many assumptions. Whilst the authorities actions have been VERY slow (due to the complexity of their investigations and international nature of the complaints), those actions have been happening.

RW has made numerous written claims that the information on PPRuNe has affected his business. By that statement alone it can be concluded that PPRuNe has had a positive effect in making some people aware of the problems many have faced.

Perhaps it might be worth remembering that, following Weaver's written apology on the forum he had said that he was going to sort himself out. Unfortunatly he went back to his old ways in a matter of weeks following that apology and then took many thousands in advance fees for services he did not deliver.

http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-fl...ml#post7381061

Part of Weaver's public apology:
One of the options I considered was going bankrupt or entering into an IVA to facilitate sorting out what I owe to various people. I do not feel that is an honourable option, it leaves people out of pocket, and that is not what I have ever wanted. With that in mind I have been working around the list of people I owe money to and have been sorting out repayment plans that I can afford. It will take me time to sort this out and get people refunded, I ask that people do allow me the chance to resolve this without compounding the amounts that I owe by further Court or Enforcement action. To those I owe money to, if I have not yet contacted you to sort this out then I shall be contacting you shortly.

That canít turn back time, but I do hope that people acknowledge the fact that I now offer a whole hearted apology without reservation or condition and I am trying my best to sort the historical issues out and take steps to gain the commercial knowledge and infrastructure within my business to stop the mistakes ever happening again.

In future my business activities will operate with total transparency from the onset of any dealings, clients will be given a revised contract that will explain very clearly what they will get from me, what is quoted into the price and what is not and how contingencies or eventualities will be dealt with. Hopefully it will help avoid the past confusion to some of my clients. My new contract will shortly be available for inspection by anyone on my website. There will also be clear terms of reference for dealing with any consequential, unplanned costs enroute.

Again I offer my sincere apologies for everything that has happened. I an my firm look forward to building a better future for all involved.

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Old 27th Aug 2012, 17:08
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Sooty,

You make many assumptions. Whilst the authorities actions have been VERY slow (due to the complexity of their investigations and international nature of the complaints), those actions have been happening.

RW has made numerous written claims that the information on PPRuNe has affected his business. By that statement alone it can be concluded that PPRuNe has had a positive effect in making some people aware of the problems many have faced.

Perhaps it might be worth remembering that, following Weaver's written apology on the forum he had said that he was going to sort himself out. Unfortunatly he went back to his old ways in a matter of weeks following that apology and then took many thousands in advance fees for services he did not deliver.
I made one assumption (that anyone reading this thread would probably not do business with Weaver anyway), asked one question (which you did not answer), and made one guess (that he hasn't yet been arrested).

In the absence of any information to the contrary I'll guess again. My first guess was correct.
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Old 27th Aug 2012, 17:45
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Sorry Sooty, at this stage I am not prepared to answer the question directly, it will be answered with the fullness of time, as has been said previously the affairs of Weaver are of an international nature, if you asked had he been arrested in France, then No is the answer (not yet). Has he been arrested elsewhere? then thats a different answer.

Sorry if thats not helpful to you - I don't want to help Weaver in any way shape or form, however if you have lost money at his hand then you could follow the advice of PPRuNe Towers in his sticky post...
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Old 27th Aug 2012, 19:55
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Confirming or otherwise whether he has been arrested is NOT going to prejudice any (possible?) forthcoming action, so why the secrecy?

Let me put it another way; do you actually KNOW what is happening? Are "various agencies" actually keeping you in the loop, or are you just hoping that it is about time that his (alleged) nefarious behavior is being dealt with by an agency with the ability to track and bring to justice someone who has (again, allegedly) committed crimes in a variety of international jurisdictions?

My best guess (and call it an assumption if you prefer) is that you haven't got a clue what is happening right at this time, but rather you are hoping that any scraps of information that you might provide to "various agencies" might help further the cause.


I applaud the cause
, but don't much care for subterfuge when it comes to passing on up to date information. There was a time when it was newsworthy and interesting to read.

Might I suggest that you report nothing when you have nothing, and refrain from the " I just heard something, but sorry I am not able to tell you," tease.
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Old 27th Aug 2012, 20:48
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do you actually KNOW what is happening?
Sooty, did it ever occur to you that maybe GEP is not permitted to provide answers? Maybe he is required by a Court of Law to refrain from such activities, as further discussion on specific points may prejudice the outcome of any legal action undertaken now or in the future. I have no idea if this is the case but it is a possibility. I find your demands for answers highly suggestive of aggressive journalism and therefore very worrying.
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Old 27th Aug 2012, 21:46
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If
GEP is not permitted to provide answers
personally -as opposed to in the context of general rumour or opinion - then I am sure that he would say so.
Is arrest not a matter of public record rather than a one of secrecy? A genuine question - not getting at anyone
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Old 27th Aug 2012, 23:09
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Then why is GEP still posting ?

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Old 28th Aug 2012, 10:49
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Mutt;

Precisely my point! If GEP has nothing he can add to the record, why post? Anything else is merely a tease in my opinion. A case of "I know something, but sorry I can't say more."

DX Wombat wrote;

Sooty, did it ever occur to you that maybe GEP is not permitted to provide answers? Maybe he is required by a Court of Law to refrain from such activities, as further discussion on specific points may prejudice the outcome of any legal action undertaken now or in the future.
I assume you are referring to sub judice. Confirming or otherwise that an individual has been arrested will not prejudice any proceedings - the fact, or otherwise, is a matter of record.


I find your demands for answers highly suggestive of aggressive journalism and therefore very worrying.
Well I'm sorry you feel that way Wombat. I am not a journalist, and for the record I applaud the general principle behind GEP's work; it's just the way he is now reporting his progress that I don't much care for.
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