How desperate and illegal can you be?
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How desperate and illegal can you be?
Having been enticed to a position, and finding there was no AOC/LTA for the operation, I returned home, on the understanding I would fly for the company when they became legal.
Surprise no recall, and no pay for the time I was there, but the aircraft is still flying with a crew who are knowledgeable of an operation which is illegal.
How many pilots are there, that are that desperate to risk all, loss of licence, fines and laibility for the upcoming accident/ incident?
Have all personal standards been lost now for the sake of a job?
Surprise no recall, and no pay for the time I was there, but the aircraft is still flying with a crew who are knowledgeable of an operation which is illegal.
How many pilots are there, that are that desperate to risk all, loss of licence, fines and laibility for the upcoming accident/ incident?
Have all personal standards been lost now for the sake of a job?
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don't wanna sound cynical, but get used to it. You'll always find people desperate to do whatever it takes to "fly", even it means loosing it all in the end. I am sure every pilot here has his stock of horror stories, pilots flying with expired licenses, expired currency, accepting flights knowing they'll land with less than minimum reserves, operators making savings by appointing pilots who'll say "yes" to everything, as long as they...keep flying
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Very few martyrs left to stand watch and go down fighting for the greater good...
So that said, I think most people have a 'price', that bending point that will push them over the edge...for many it takes a nudge, a little enticement, a little discomfort and they would sell their mothers for a nickel...
With regard to pilots, flying heavy, maintenance due, past medicals on and on...for them it's about not get caught..and since no active enforcement....they see little risk...haven't met any pilots yet, oozing 'honor and professionalism' that I haven't been able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt they are completely full of crap...but I am sure there are a few out there...
When I get thrown hypothetical s of 'would you do this this or that', my answer is usually the same...'you can't afford me'... and that's the truth....
So that said, I think most people have a 'price', that bending point that will push them over the edge...for many it takes a nudge, a little enticement, a little discomfort and they would sell their mothers for a nickel...
With regard to pilots, flying heavy, maintenance due, past medicals on and on...for them it's about not get caught..and since no active enforcement....they see little risk...haven't met any pilots yet, oozing 'honor and professionalism' that I haven't been able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt they are completely full of crap...but I am sure there are a few out there...
When I get thrown hypothetical s of 'would you do this this or that', my answer is usually the same...'you can't afford me'... and that's the truth....
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"FOR THE SAKE OF A JOB" Different strokes for different folks but for some (and I think many) a job is the most important factor in their life. After all, it keeps a roof over your head and puts the food in your kids mouth. The threat of no work can easily force normal folk into desperate actions. Not saying its right, I have been out of work for a good while, now I'm over 60 nobody wants to know, you won't know what its like until it happens to you.
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It is understandable why the Airline industry do not like to employ GA pilots. With the responses received, we appear to be a cowboy bunch of illegal operators. Isn't it lucky we are not policed?
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Just for the record, my response was only with reference to "job" being referred to as "for the sake of". A job is highly important and is the means of existance for most folks. We are indeed policed and almost all the GA pilots I know are proud, professional and dedicated individuals who choose to be in GA/corporate aviation in preference to airline. I also know many airline pilots, many who freelance in corporate, there is no difference.
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Actually there are lots of pilots that switched from GA to airlines, airline pilots that fly freelance in their free time. However it is true that there seems to be a much higher amount of "cowboy" pilots and companies in the GA. Some of that probably has to do with the fact that most airlines do select their pilots very carefully and regulate them and their work quite a lot more than is usual in the GA. Another part is external auditing, for example IOSA audits.
The results are quite obvious, a much lower accident rate in airlines than in the GA in general, of course there are some on both sides that do much better or worse than others in the same business in regards to safety.
The results are quite obvious, a much lower accident rate in airlines than in the GA in general, of course there are some on both sides that do much better or worse than others in the same business in regards to safety.
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Actually there are lots of pilots that switched from GA to airlines, airline pilots that fly freelance in their free time. However it is true that there seems to be a much higher amount of "cowboy" pilots and companies in the GA. Some of that probably has to do with the fact that most airlines do select their pilots very carefully and regulate them and their work quite a lot more than is usual in the GA. Another part is external auditing, for example IOSA audits.
The results are quite obvious, a much lower accident rate in airlines than in the GA in general, of course there are some on both sides that do much better or worse than others in the same business in regards to safety.
The results are quite obvious, a much lower accident rate in airlines than in the GA in general, of course there are some on both sides that do much better or worse than others in the same business in regards to safety.
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Well I consider that I have a "Professional" Pilot's Licence.
Professional means doing things in a professional, safe and legal manor. I will not allow my standards to be compromised by unscrupulous operations let alone other pilots that will.
I have seen it many times in GA.... "If we fly this last sector we will exceed duty times by a mile beyond disgression. Yes but they are offering us cash to do it and we can fiddle the figures later!" I wonder sometimes if I stand alone, I hope not.
Professional means doing things in a professional, safe and legal manor. I will not allow my standards to be compromised by unscrupulous operations let alone other pilots that will.
I have seen it many times in GA.... "If we fly this last sector we will exceed duty times by a mile beyond disgression. Yes but they are offering us cash to do it and we can fiddle the figures later!" I wonder sometimes if I stand alone, I hope not.
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I sit here every day as an AOC operator getting more and more depressed that we continue to lose work to bent charters.
We were quoting on a Dubai-Nice last night only for it to go to an operator who will need to get traffic rights in both the UAE and France for the charter who then spent the rest of the evening advertising one ways all around Europe (all of which, if they don't apply for the permits, would be in contravention of cabotage laws).
We pay a shed load of cash each year to our Regulatory Authority, employ Quality Managers, Safety Managers, Training Managers, Flight Safety Managers, Health and Safety Managers, Internal Auditors, External Auditors etc etc et*******cetera and when is the last time I heard of an aircraft being impounded and the operator being fined or imprisoned for it? Yep, exactly, never. I know that the UK ANO has recently been updated to include the ability for a broker to be charged with aiding and abetting an illegal charter but that is only one place (where to be honest bent charters are getting a lot less).
It's massively soul-destroying when we are trying to do it all properly and legally only to watch it go on a bent or law-breaking charter to save money (for someone, even if it's not the end client).
Don't know why I'm complaining really, it's gone on for years and nobody's ever done anything about it. Even when we tip off the Regulatory Authorities who have regional offices on airports where we know bent charters are happening with times and dates (as we should to protect the jobs and livelihoods of everyone who works for the company) nothing happens.
I can appreciate from a pilot's side that it's a job and you'll do what it takes to keep that job, but I'd hate to see the repercussions for a pilot if there was an accident which killed passengers, wrote off the aircraft and the insurance refused to cover it and the pilots survived. Would be painful, expensive and a nice stay in one of the finest prisons in the world in all probability.
That's a mildly depressing reply isn't it?
We were quoting on a Dubai-Nice last night only for it to go to an operator who will need to get traffic rights in both the UAE and France for the charter who then spent the rest of the evening advertising one ways all around Europe (all of which, if they don't apply for the permits, would be in contravention of cabotage laws).
We pay a shed load of cash each year to our Regulatory Authority, employ Quality Managers, Safety Managers, Training Managers, Flight Safety Managers, Health and Safety Managers, Internal Auditors, External Auditors etc etc et*******cetera and when is the last time I heard of an aircraft being impounded and the operator being fined or imprisoned for it? Yep, exactly, never. I know that the UK ANO has recently been updated to include the ability for a broker to be charged with aiding and abetting an illegal charter but that is only one place (where to be honest bent charters are getting a lot less).
It's massively soul-destroying when we are trying to do it all properly and legally only to watch it go on a bent or law-breaking charter to save money (for someone, even if it's not the end client).
Don't know why I'm complaining really, it's gone on for years and nobody's ever done anything about it. Even when we tip off the Regulatory Authorities who have regional offices on airports where we know bent charters are happening with times and dates (as we should to protect the jobs and livelihoods of everyone who works for the company) nothing happens.
I can appreciate from a pilot's side that it's a job and you'll do what it takes to keep that job, but I'd hate to see the repercussions for a pilot if there was an accident which killed passengers, wrote off the aircraft and the insurance refused to cover it and the pilots survived. Would be painful, expensive and a nice stay in one of the finest prisons in the world in all probability.
That's a mildly depressing reply isn't it?
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On the contrary Daifly:
Very refreshing to hear someone say they will do it correctly! But I do appreciate how difficult it must be keeping all the balls in the air, at cost, when so many others (did I mention the Austrians?) refuse to abide by the regulations and get away with it.
The insurance company's refusal to pay out senario you identify wouldn't apply in the OP case as the policy was allowed to lapse without renewal anyway, allegedly!
The sooner these cowboys are run out of town the better for all of us.
Very refreshing to hear someone say they will do it correctly! But I do appreciate how difficult it must be keeping all the balls in the air, at cost, when so many others (did I mention the Austrians?) refuse to abide by the regulations and get away with it.
The insurance company's refusal to pay out senario you identify wouldn't apply in the OP case as the policy was allowed to lapse without renewal anyway, allegedly!
The sooner these cowboys are run out of town the better for all of us.
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We pay a shed load of cash each year to our Regulatory Authority, employ Quality Managers, Safety Managers, Training Managers, Flight Safety Managers, Health and Safety Managers, Internal Auditors, External Auditors etc etc et*******cetera and when is the last time I heard of an aircraft being impounded and the operator being fined or imprisoned for it? Yep, exactly, never. I know that the UK ANO has recently been updated to include the ability for a broker to be charged with aiding and abetting an illegal charter but that is only one place (where to be honest bent charters are getting a lot less).
I think this says it all but not in a positive way.
This is an example of our liability society steeped in needless burocracy, loaded with mindless costs to keep jobs going in departments, sub departments etc and a good example of why we in the UK are in such a financial mess.
Aviation regulations should be about shown safety no more no less not loading more and more costs onto a struggling industry until it creaks and breaks.
If a private jet is deemed as unsafe it should not fly until that threat has been removed. If the same jet under an AOC is loaded with massive costs to fly the same route something has to be wrong? One cannot be safe while the other unsafe?
Dramatically reduce the costs on AOC ops and you would not be threatened by so called illegal ops as then you could compete on cost and the free market.
The best way to make something go away is to remove the reason for it being there not by trying to beat and crush it out of existance.
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The industry requires checks to maintain safety, and these checks have been delegated, to the operator. The regulatory bodies should be pursuing the bad guys, but as usual they are toothless when it comes to this aspect of their remit, so they can only keep burdening the good guys with more and more bureaucracy, it justifies their pyramidical existence and increasing cost.
We should be asking the Authority what they are actually doing to reign back this trade, and how successful are they?
Flights are being undertaken with aircraft overweight, carrying dangerous goods, disregard to aircraft performance and flight time limitations.
We should be asking the Authority what they are actually doing to reign back this trade, and how successful are they?
Flights are being undertaken with aircraft overweight, carrying dangerous goods, disregard to aircraft performance and flight time limitations.
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The new government yesterday announced that they were going to demolish a lot of health and safety bodies, quangos, departments, sub departments and eliminate a lot of the mindless burocracy which means one thing and one thing only and that is cost! huge costs! They intend to save Ģ150 billion over 4 years.
If you and others are saying that AOC ops have been so loaded that their services are no longer cost attractive and regulators must create some sort of take it or leave it structure to protect that regulatory industry then that is very worrying.
Owner X has a lovingly cared for Citation Bravo with a professional crew and flies 300 hrs per year. He uses it to fly an employee family that day quite legally!
That same family the next day rent an AOC Bravo to fly the same trip and pay for it! That Bravo is hard worked flying 900 hours per year( remember we hear horror stories in both ops)
Are that family somehow entitled to more safety purley on the basis that money has exchanged hands in the AOC op?
If the private op goes into shorter fields than the AOC whos fault is that? Not the owner or pilots but the regulations.
In all walks of life from accountancy to tax to aviation there are grey areas in the regulations where specialists are paid a fortune to legally exploit those areas. Dont blame them but the regulations themselves?
I would rather see all the needless expensive burocracy chopped away so that both private and AOC ops are on more of a level playing field then you wont have to employ even more expensive departments to run around beating off anythinmg they see as a threat.
Regulators should be about plugging known safety holes for both private and AOC ops but thats what should happen but doesnt, there are too many other agendas involved.
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The new government yesterday announced that they were going to demolish a lot of health and safety bodies, quangos, departments, sub departments and eliminate a lot of the mindless burocracy which means one thing and one thing only and that is cost! huge costs! They intend to save Ģ150 billion over 4 years.
If you and others are saying that AOC ops have been so loaded that their services are no longer cost attractive and regulators must create some sort of take it or leave it structure to protect that regulatory industry then that is very worrying.
Owner X has a lovingly cared for Citation Bravo with a professional crew and flies 300 hrs per year. He uses it to fly an employee family that day quite legally!
That same family the next day rent an AOC Bravo to fly the same trip and pay for it! That Bravo is hard worked flying 900 hours per year( remember we hear horror stories in both ops)
Are that family somehow entitled to more safety purley on the basis that money has exchanged hands in the AOC op?
If the private op goes into shorter fields than the AOC whos fault is that? Not the owner or pilots but the regulations.
In all walks of life from accountancy to tax to aviation there are grey areas in the regulations where specialists are paid a fortune to legally exploit those areas. Dont blame them but the regulations themselves?
I would rather see all the needless expensive burocracy chopped away so that both private and AOC ops are on more of a level playing field then you wont have to employ even more expensive departments to run around beating off anythinmg they see as a threat.
Regulators should be about plugging known safety holes for both private and AOC ops but thats what should happen but doesnt, there are too many other agendas involved.
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Pace, you wrote:
What do you mean by that? Regulate the pvt ops as com ops which is tried and reportedly pursued by the british authority (EASA OPS)?
Thats not what I want. I operate a jet for a company and we do rent out to one other company that is owned by the same majority stake holder than 'my' company. We do have permission by the german authority to do that.
So we operating legally, btw one condition is that we take usual market prices, as they have bottomed out and we calculated in 2007 we actually are more expensive.
if you mean deregulate and take away the massive over regulation for com ops, forget it, will never happen.
So its back to square one.
I operate in and out a field that is too short for 1,67. Ergo, 1,67 for all = me no job. Thanks, I donīt want to be unemployed. Yet I operate with 1,25 or 1,44 for wet and up to now it always worked out fine. We had a commercial TP (1,43) going over the end after touching past the halfway marker. What kind of factor should we use to make it safe for such loonies? 3,98? 7,56?
1,67 and 1,92 btw is from the early sixties I was told, comes from the 727 certification. 50 years later its still in use, some still manage to go over a rwys end, so....
What our industry would have needed is unification, meaning the operators should have a loud say through EBAA or something alike, but most miss the importance of this kind of representation. Have look at NBAA and AOPA in the States and you know what I mean. Instead of getting together they think their daily struggle and dogfights gainst eaach other makes them strong. STUPID. I tried to bring the 5 firms we had at the time at my place to get togehter and work united on the JAROPS implementation. It was just a mess, no common ground was found in a lot of talks. Fools.
I still hope I can make it to retirement (2033
) in this job, but my hopes are probaly too high.
The best way to make something go away is to remove the reason for it being there not by trying to beat and crush it out of existance.
Thats not what I want. I operate a jet for a company and we do rent out to one other company that is owned by the same majority stake holder than 'my' company. We do have permission by the german authority to do that.
So we operating legally, btw one condition is that we take usual market prices, as they have bottomed out and we calculated in 2007 we actually are more expensive.
if you mean deregulate and take away the massive over regulation for com ops, forget it, will never happen.
So its back to square one.
If the private op goes into shorter fields than the AOC whos fault is that? Not the owner or pilots but the regulations.
1,67 and 1,92 btw is from the early sixties I was told, comes from the 727 certification. 50 years later its still in use, some still manage to go over a rwys end, so....
What our industry would have needed is unification, meaning the operators should have a loud say through EBAA or something alike, but most miss the importance of this kind of representation. Have look at NBAA and AOPA in the States and you know what I mean. Instead of getting together they think their daily struggle and dogfights gainst eaach other makes them strong. STUPID. I tried to bring the 5 firms we had at the time at my place to get togehter and work united on the JAROPS implementation. It was just a mess, no common ground was found in a lot of talks. Fools.
I still hope I can make it to retirement (2033
) in this job, but my hopes are probaly too high.
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Your Dudeness,
Totally and completely right; on most if not all of local meetings regarding the future of our operations; there is NO representatives of our industry; i am sitting on numerous of those, and ALL the time , i am the first GA representative they meet; all the others are airlines; tell what BA, AF, U2, or LH have to care about Kilo Apron in NCE or the turnaround time in FRA ?
Instead of this, when an entity is fighting to keep a kind of normal ops ( like in Cannes) by publishing a very simple guideline to follow; everyone from one airplane operators to EBAA is complaining about it; patronizing that this is rubbish, etc. BUT when asked to flow corrections and ideas in ( that matches regulations of course and other requests) nobody is doing anything ?
Illegal charter is EVERYWHERE; " partners " ; "friends" are flying with brown enveloppes floating around; the brokers are sucking out the little profit left, and the whole industry is suffering , and as a consequence, pilot's conditions are deteriorating.
I have 20 years to retirement, the previous 20 have been from outstanding to ok, I fear that the next half will not bring an high positive spin up.
Regulations:
We lost common sense , because lawyers are flying the planes; We are scrutinized by our ops in order to keep the auditors happy. We lost common sense in our industry, over regulating every single move, to a point where flying becomes so difficult that you see airplane being registered in countries never heard of ( sometimes with no airport); just to avoid the regulation burden.
Flying is still fun, less enjoyable sometimes, it start to become a job, where it was a passion. WE need to separate regulations from airlines ( like in the USof A), we need to work on something long term; but again, it won't be initiated by our employers, only us can do it...
dring dring... alarm clock... a dream again...
Totally and completely right; on most if not all of local meetings regarding the future of our operations; there is NO representatives of our industry; i am sitting on numerous of those, and ALL the time , i am the first GA representative they meet; all the others are airlines; tell what BA, AF, U2, or LH have to care about Kilo Apron in NCE or the turnaround time in FRA ?
Instead of this, when an entity is fighting to keep a kind of normal ops ( like in Cannes) by publishing a very simple guideline to follow; everyone from one airplane operators to EBAA is complaining about it; patronizing that this is rubbish, etc. BUT when asked to flow corrections and ideas in ( that matches regulations of course and other requests) nobody is doing anything ?
Illegal charter is EVERYWHERE; " partners " ; "friends" are flying with brown enveloppes floating around; the brokers are sucking out the little profit left, and the whole industry is suffering , and as a consequence, pilot's conditions are deteriorating.
I have 20 years to retirement, the previous 20 have been from outstanding to ok, I fear that the next half will not bring an high positive spin up.
Regulations:
We lost common sense , because lawyers are flying the planes; We are scrutinized by our ops in order to keep the auditors happy. We lost common sense in our industry, over regulating every single move, to a point where flying becomes so difficult that you see airplane being registered in countries never heard of ( sometimes with no airport); just to avoid the regulation burden.
Flying is still fun, less enjoyable sometimes, it start to become a job, where it was a passion. WE need to separate regulations from airlines ( like in the USof A), we need to work on something long term; but again, it won't be initiated by our employers, only us can do it...
dring dring... alarm clock... a dream again...
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CL300, I fully agree with your recommendations (Part 135 equivalent in Europe), however I see another reason to the deterioration of the quality of life of many : flying is expensive but a lot of people among our industry, helped by the ego of some clients and driven by as futile as short-term as mercantile motivations, tend to make believe the opposite.
The result can be under-crewed aircraft flying illegal charters with an aircraft which should have been grounded for maintenance. Maybe "good" for a young FO willing to become a Captain early. Not acceptable if you have 4000H of bizjet command close to retirement, a house paid and kids flying by themselves.
On the other hand (I hope I don't disclose a big secret here) those "make-it happen" operators help the entire industry: imagine if 35% of the bizjet/turboprop fleet were being grounded tomorrow...
The result can be under-crewed aircraft flying illegal charters with an aircraft which should have been grounded for maintenance. Maybe "good" for a young FO willing to become a Captain early. Not acceptable if you have 4000H of bizjet command close to retirement, a house paid and kids flying by themselves.
On the other hand (I hope I don't disclose a big secret here) those "make-it happen" operators help the entire industry: imagine if 35% of the bizjet/turboprop fleet were being grounded tomorrow...
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I hate regulation, but it's the only thing that keeps the non professionals in line...here are some ideas..
Force any new hire to walk into the FAA and show someone his logbooks...and spend 5 minutes explaining them...this will eliminate 99.9% of the kids, liars ect...they wouldn't have the balls to do this..
If you wanna fly a Tprop....1500 hours...a Jet 3500 hrs...that's it...no pay to fly, no if ands or buts.....
On flight plans...have a new wt/bal section....pilot puts BOW/MTOW/Pax/Fuel wts....
A cursory examination by the FAA that 9 pax on this flight can't weigh 900 lbs....or that 2000 bls of fuel isn't going to get you from San Fran to MIA in a Citation......
Accountability and Transparency....that's all we need...
Force any new hire to walk into the FAA and show someone his logbooks...and spend 5 minutes explaining them...this will eliminate 99.9% of the kids, liars ect...they wouldn't have the balls to do this..
If you wanna fly a Tprop....1500 hours...a Jet 3500 hrs...that's it...no pay to fly, no if ands or buts.....
On flight plans...have a new wt/bal section....pilot puts BOW/MTOW/Pax/Fuel wts....
A cursory examination by the FAA that 9 pax on this flight can't weigh 900 lbs....or that 2000 bls of fuel isn't going to get you from San Fran to MIA in a Citation......
Accountability and Transparency....that's all we need...
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Its a warped world we live and work in
I agree with almost all the posters, regulation has no benefit without enforcement. Most Authorities are pussy cats, or worse.
I am not even going to talk about the Austrians.
I have been in the corporate charter business for 40 years, man and boy. I can count on the fingers of (both) hands the number of times I have been 100% legal.
Yes thats what I said. Very few times 100% legal.
The major reasons being the lack of any defects in tech log. (for several months of daily operations. Not one defect). The lack of an accurate W and B. Passengers baggage in the cabin, and not secured. Over weight take offs, and liberal interpetation of the FTL.
Now please shoot the messenger.
I have reported drunk crew members to the authority, and the company. The response from the company, well he is a good pilot. Response from the Authority, well I am sure you are mistaken. (The full bottle of Vodka on departure, and 1/2 full, on arrival, must be due to the high diff pressure).
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I am not even going to talk about the Austrians.
I have been in the corporate charter business for 40 years, man and boy. I can count on the fingers of (both) hands the number of times I have been 100% legal.
Yes thats what I said. Very few times 100% legal.
The major reasons being the lack of any defects in tech log. (for several months of daily operations. Not one defect). The lack of an accurate W and B. Passengers baggage in the cabin, and not secured. Over weight take offs, and liberal interpetation of the FTL.
Now please shoot the messenger.
I have reported drunk crew members to the authority, and the company. The response from the company, well he is a good pilot. Response from the Authority, well I am sure you are mistaken. (The full bottle of Vodka on departure, and 1/2 full, on arrival, must be due to the high diff pressure).
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