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On many flights Blink are MORE expensive than most CJ1's etc... The Mustang isn't as good as a CJ1, therefore why would anyone want to pay more....for less?
I guess the start up capital is running out, and there is no desire from investors to keep pouring water into the blink spounge.
They have successfully got some people to charter, that otherwise wouldn't have done so, but when the client see's the CJ's they're parked next to in Cannes or Geneva and finds out its the same or maybe less cost.........
I guess the start up capital is running out, and there is no desire from investors to keep pouring water into the blink spounge.
They have successfully got some people to charter, that otherwise wouldn't have done so, but when the client see's the CJ's they're parked next to in Cannes or Geneva and finds out its the same or maybe less cost.........
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)
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Aircraft at Blackbushe
Does it not stand to reason that if you've had two to three aircraft almost permanently on the ground at Blackbushe for near on the last two years, perhaps three now, it's time to get rid of a couple at least? Another winter looming and those birds will just get covered in snow and ice for another season not going anywhere.
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Avioactive....good point well made and all that, but, if you were in the position of having aircraft underutilised picking multiple bases to spread your markets would be the right thing to do....exactly what Blink have done.
If they are offloading excess supply, and marketing the hell out of the concept whilst doing the smart thing of multi-basing, It is for the good of the company......so, whilst the concept of a huge fleet of VLJ's is probably not likely in this, or any economic situation, they are adapting as they learn and while that may sound really patronising, it's not as patronising as the press releases that told us how they had invented an industry that we have all spent 20 years working in.
I think we all have suspicions that the concept does not work on the scale that was originally designed due to the scaleability (sp) of certain departments within a bespoke service product, but credit where credit is due, their business decisions are unflawed (except, obviously the one where they signed up to 45 mustangs and told all the brokers they don't need them).
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If they are offloading excess supply, and marketing the hell out of the concept whilst doing the smart thing of multi-basing, It is for the good of the company......so, whilst the concept of a huge fleet of VLJ's is probably not likely in this, or any economic situation, they are adapting as they learn and while that may sound really patronising, it's not as patronising as the press releases that told us how they had invented an industry that we have all spent 20 years working in.
I think we all have suspicions that the concept does not work on the scale that was originally designed due to the scaleability (sp) of certain departments within a bespoke service product, but credit where credit is due, their business decisions are unflawed (except, obviously the one where they signed up to 45 mustangs and told all the brokers they don't need them).
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but credit where credit is due, their business decisions are unflawed (except, obviously the one where they signed up to 45 mustangs and told all the brokers they don't need them).
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it's not as patronising as the press releases that told us how they had invented an industry that we have all spent 20 years working in.
A company round my way have developed the blink principle on surface transport...... they're called Ali's cabs. If only I'd have thought of this. Phil, why do we keep missing the boat?..........Urika!!!, lets sail boats between Dover and Calais and allow lorries and cars on board. This time next year Rodney....
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London Executive Aviation selling off December 2010 delivery position . . .
2010 CESSNA CITATION MUSTANG Jet Aircraft For Sale At Controller.com
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Blink vs LEA
The main difference between LEA and Blink is that LEA is a well established charter operator who did not claim to change the world but just that the Mustang is an aircraft that moves some Kingair Customers to Jets. As far as I know most of the LEA aircraft are privately owned... and the orderbook is less than 45 
Here from 2008
Here from 2008
George Galanopoulos, LEA’s managing director, is delighted with aircraft’s introduction. “The Mustang is ideal for customers who travel in small numbers and want to upgrade from a turbo-prop without paying a premium. It is also proving attractive to existing jet customers, who may not always need the extra capacity and cabin space of traditional entry-level jets.”
-NP is a Legacy 500, not a Phenom 
Then I stand corrected... 
edit/ Ah, I see... wake up at the back!
edit/ Ah, I see... wake up at the back!
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Having sat in one last week, I cant help but be really impressed with the Phenom. Its a big little jet and anybody who picks a mustang over it (notwithstanding the extra $400k) is nuts.
Regarding this "extra" performace are we not gettting confused with pre first flight pledges against certified data. I'd like to think that what the book says is exactly what it will do, no more no less, it would be unusual for the manufacturer to put 2000 hrs on a pair of test frames and not spot a little extra performace that operators have found having put a couple of hundred hours on them. I doubt the FAA/EASA would allow a 5% innaccuracy good or bad in the data
Its also not unusual for FADEC engines to give a little extra thrust at ISA + 1 or +2 as opposed to the ISA figures which are commonly quoted beefing up the rumours that its better than book.
5% seems a little too good to be true from testing to line flying, but from design to certification would seem a little more believable
2 mins on google found this
Great aircraft by all accounts, whatever the story with the performance
Regarding this "extra" performace are we not gettting confused with pre first flight pledges against certified data. I'd like to think that what the book says is exactly what it will do, no more no less, it would be unusual for the manufacturer to put 2000 hrs on a pair of test frames and not spot a little extra performace that operators have found having put a couple of hundred hours on them. I doubt the FAA/EASA would allow a 5% innaccuracy good or bad in the data
Its also not unusual for FADEC engines to give a little extra thrust at ISA + 1 or +2 as opposed to the ISA figures which are commonly quoted beefing up the rumours that its better than book.
5% seems a little too good to be true from testing to line flying, but from design to certification would seem a little more believable
2 mins on google found this
Embraer seems to have quite a bit to crow about when its pledges for the Phenom 100 are examined against the actual airplane. An Embraer spokesman said the company promised customers a 380-knot aircraft capable of 1,160 nm of range at 41,000 feet, plus a landing distance of 3,000 feet. When it was certified, the Phenom came in at 390 knots and 1,178 nm with a 2,699-foot landing roll. Block fuel for a 1,000-nm trip was initially planned at 1,960 pounds but by certification had dropped to 1,889 pounds. The Phenom’s capacity for baggage is 25 percent higher than originally planned.
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Mustang "toilet"
Highflight420, you wrote that people are actually using the toilet in the Mustang. Well, these must have been some serious emergencies then.
Do you have any special fitments in the Blink jets to provide more privacy? I can hardly imagine any passenger (especially female ones) taking a leak (or worse) just behind the FO's seat, in full view from the passenger cabin.
I'd seriously be interested in how a commercial operator handles this problem.
Do you have any special fitments in the Blink jets to provide more privacy? I can hardly imagine any passenger (especially female ones) taking a leak (or worse) just behind the FO's seat, in full view from the passenger cabin.
I'd seriously be interested in how a commercial operator handles this problem.
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There is a curtain between the cockpit and the cabin and another that goes around the toilet itself - its not ideal but many passengers, male and female have used ours at Ambeo without problems. We always suggested to passengers they use the toilet at the FBO before flight.
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Mustang
Thanks for your reply. I would have expected the high-end clientele using such air transport services to be more picky about the toilet issue.
It was one of the things which I thought would make running a commercial service using Mustangs difficult. Interesting ...
It was one of the things which I thought would make running a commercial service using Mustangs difficult. Interesting ...