What route? Kingair B200 Mumbai-Florida

[Tinstaafl]

Saw an ad for a Kingair ferry from Mumbai to Florida, USA. Thought about applying and it got me thinking about what route would work, considering the less than friendly countries nearby, aircraft range and availability of reasonable** cost tech. stops.

My initial thoughs would be something like Mumbai-Dubai-Cairo-Germany (somewhere)-Wick-Reykjavik-Narsarsuaq-Goose Bay-Bangor and then the rest of the way down the US E. Coast. Possibly route over Torshaven &/or Kulususk to reduce the time over open ocean.

So how would you do it? And why those choices?




**Yeah, I know. But even comparatively reasonable compared to competing FBOs & airports is better than nothing. Flying around the US & Bahamas one soon learns where to avoid here. Figured it would be similar there.

[redsnail]

Tinny, Keflavic's a better option if wx's dodgy. Longer runway etc, FBO is geared up for transits etc. Used that place twice for ferries.

[CL300]

try this one lol :

VABB SID SASRO G208 KE B210 NH B466 SERKA UL333 AMBEG UP567 MATAL P567 TAVRO UP567 BARUS UN77 BANUT A277 LAMET R230 OLENA UP567 ODS UB491 TURSA UP133 SCV UL621 BUKOV UN190 MALBE UP27 MAKAL UL624 LABUK UY444 ELMEK UL726 OKG UL984 OSBIT Y101 TESGA UL610 BATTY UL608 DENUT UL610 LAM UL179 CPT UL9 BASET UL18 DIKAS UP4 EVRIN UL607 CRK UN523 LIMRI NATE YAY N184B TOPPS J581 ENE J55 HTO VS1 ORF J174 DIW AR19 JENKS AR22 JORAY STAR KMIA

VABB (0.0nm) -SID-> SASRO (316.6nm) -G208-> PARTY (329.3nm) -G208->
KE (426.4nm) -B210-> NH (512.1nm) -B466-> SAREK (566.9nm) -B466->
SHANO (618.4nm) -B466-> GASIR (696.4nm) -B466-> KALAT (706.5nm) -B466->
BARBI (726.5nm) -B466-> SERKA (758.5nm) -UL333-> KIRAT (843.5nm) -UL333->
DANOD (1025.1nm) -UL333-> SOKAM (1110.1nm) -UL333-> ASVIS (1184.3nm) -UL333->
TASLU (1273.6nm) -UL333-> AMBEG (1382.2nm) -UP567-> ODKAT (1432.6nm) -UP567->
DNZ (1532.3nm) -UP567-> ULDUS (1663.9nm) -UP567-> NETON (1833.0nm) -UP567->
MATAL (1970.4nm) -P567-> TAVRO (2022.3nm) -UP567-> BARUS (2108.3nm) -UN77->
IBERI (2160.6nm) -UN77-> BANUT (2252.2nm) -A277-> LAMET (2296.9nm) -R230->
NUGRI (2392.3nm) -R230-> OLENA (2419.2nm) -UP567-> LEMTO (2567.2nm) -UP567->
NOMPA (2581.5nm) -UP567-> OTRAD (2621.0nm) -UP567-> ODS (2699.6nm) -UB491->
TURSA (2732.4nm) -UP133-> LUKIV (2778.5nm) -UP133-> UNIRA (2823.7nm) -UP133->
IAS (2835.5nm) -UP133-> SCV (2891.5nm) -UL621-> BUKOV (2914.9nm) -UN190->
MALBE (3067.0nm) -UP27-> PPD (3148.2nm) -UP27-> ZLA (3220.9nm) -UP27->
MAKAL (3234.7nm) -UL624-> LABUK (3267.9nm) -UY444-> ELMEK (3401.4nm) -UL726->
OKG (3464.8nm) -UL984-> ABERU (3476.8nm) -UL984-> KULOK (3494.7nm) -UL984->
LONLI (3510.3nm) -UL984-> SULUS (3529.4nm) -UL984-> KOMIB (3548.2nm) -UL984->
RASPU (3553.7nm) -UL984-> OSBIT (3565.9nm) -Y101-> TEKTU (3595.6nm) -Y101->
TESGA (3616.4nm) -UL610-> MONAX (3647.1nm) -UL610-> MAKOB (3678.9nm) -UL610->
LENDO (3706.4nm) -UL610-> BATTY (3722.8nm) -UL608-> TERLA (3730.0nm) -UL608->
SOGRI (3754.8nm) -UL608-> BUB (3774.8nm) -UL608-> DENUT (3813.6nm) -UL610->
LUMEN (3823.3nm) -UL610-> BULAM (3848.4nm) -UL610-> DIBLI (3867.0nm) -UL610->
RAPIX (3877.0nm) -UL610-> TEBRA (3891.8nm) -UL610-> KOPUL (3909.8nm) -UL610->
GILDA (3930.8nm) -UL610-> LAM (3947.1nm) -UL179-> CPT (3999.1nm) -UL9->
KENET (4008.1nm) -UL9-> BASET (4017.9nm) -UL18-> DIKAS (4077.0nm) -UP4->
EVRIN (4199.8nm) -UL607-> GOTEM (4246.5nm) -UL607-> CRK (4271.5nm) -UN523->
DOLIP (4401.7nm) -UN523-> LIMRI (4512.6nm) -NATE-> 52N020W (4697.3nm) -NATE->
53N030W (5067.4nm) -NATE-> 53N040W (5428.5nm) -NATE-> 53N050W (5789.5nm) -NATE->
HECKK (5920.9nm) -NATE-> YAY (6033.3nm) -N184B-> TOPPS (6622.2nm) -J581->
BGR (6678.9nm) -J581-> ODIKE (6692.9nm) -J581-> ENE (6792.2nm) -J55->
BOS (6858.5nm) -J55-> PVD (6901.2nm) -J55-> TRAIT (6935.6nm) -J55->
PARCH (6950.0nm) -J55-> HTO (6964.0nm) -VS1-> FATON (7017.9nm) -VS1->
TAAPS (7026.1nm) -VS1-> DASHA (7118.3nm) -VS1-> ORF (7266.2nm) -J174->
EDDYS (7295.9nm) -J174-> GILMA (7326.3nm) -J174-> CLAPY (7351.3nm) -J174->
DIW (7418.5nm) -AR19-> SEELO (7576.5nm) -AR19-> JENKS (7662.8nm) -AR22->
HOAGG (7714.5nm) -AR22-> BGDOG (7744.2nm) -AR22-> JORAY (7801.6nm) -STAR->
KMIA (7968.8nm)

[Flintstone]

Narsasuaq's a dodgy one in winter mate. One way runway toward cumulo-granite and an NDB approach.

Stop over in Luton or Stansted, reddo and I will look after you.


Oh look, a willy-waving post from CL300. Surely not?

[Tinstaafl]

I doubt that I'd get the job but it's still an interesting exercise to consider. I've pax'd into KEF, and watched the traffic at Reykjavik while eating at the town water tank cafe. I like Reyk. 's proximity to town. Especially if Wx forces a layover.

I think the most troublesome section is Mumbai to Cairo (presuming that's the best way) Long sector out of Mumbai then staying clear of the unfriendly countries to the N & E. I imagine ground handling fees for that whole segment is expensive & a pain in the arse.

[Flintstone]

Stay on the west side of the Gulf and you'll be fine. Cairo's not all that bad actually, I like it there. Not sure about the KingAir's range twixt stops though.

Mumbai/Luton? Wonder which has the best curry house?

[Tinstaafl]

You could get up to 1700nm or so but that's at a rather slow speed. At something like 260 kts I'm guessing about 1000nm. Haven't got any performance data next to me and I can't be bothered digging out manuals for the hell of it.

[CL300]

Is this format better ?

VABB OMDB OSDI LGAV LOWW EGPF BIKF BGBW CYZV KBGR KPBI...

I do not know the range of a King Air, but in the North zone ( that I crossed many times on a Falcon10) we were planning for no more than 800Nm legs since the weather is changing very quickly.

Nassarssuaq is a breathtaking airport, but yes a bit challenging especially at the minimas; Kangerlussag (sonderstromfjord), is on a more northern route.
If you want to be on the safe side take the blue spruce and land on every rock ...

Regarding the Airway post; it just shows distance between fixes. All purpose of it.

Buy an Accukwik and negotiate with the handlers.

[Pace]

Tinstaafl

Hi I have ferried an old wreck of a CE 550 non RVSM at FL280 from New Delhi to the UK as P1 with 1000 nm max legs PM me if you need any advice help or info on that portion.

Also check the database in the nav or your in for a lot of hard work loading all the points from Saudi. Dont believe what your told

Pace

[Max Torque]

Mumbai-Dubai/Bahrain-Luxor-Brindisi-UK-somewhere-Kef-BGBW-Goose or St Johns, then down the coast. Do customs at Bangor.
Paperwork out of India might be fun. Luxor can be a bit thievy, but you don't have that many options. Watch the winds over Saudi.
And you won't get around Narsasuaq. Been there a few times and while its not great, keep the speed well down through the approach (130 kts) and be aware that the descent angle from the final step down fix to the mda is steeper than the rest of the approach. Its clear on the chart if you look at it, but it can and will stuff you.
Where did you see the add anyway?
MT

[Tinstaafl]

Appreciate the comments. I'd be surprised if I got the job but I find it an interesting exercise.

The ad appeared on 'climbto350.com', a US centric job site. Disappeared pretty quickly too.

[flyingfemme]

So - you don't have a clue on route and don't really know the performance.....
Do yourself a favour and forget it. You'll bankrupt yourself - or your client.

[pma 32dd]

Have fun and go east-about instead!

[Flintstone]

Originally Posted by flyingphlegm

So - you don't have a clue on route and don't really know the performance.....
Do yourself a favour and forget it. You'll bankrupt yourself - or your client.

Hey Tinny! That miseryguts you ordered has arrived! Hang on, I think it's your ex. Only she could hate you this much.

[Tinstaafl]

Geez, Flintstone. Do you think I should go back to flying around the always balmy, CAVU North Sea for another few years (again) just in case? Christ knows N.Sea weather north of Scotland is completely different to the rest of those maritime latitudes. Or maybe my quarter century doing short notice domestic & international public transport flights to places I've never been before is a year or two short?

I realise it was damned unprofessional of me not to be bothered to go to my reference library to get performance data for the sake of a discussion about a relatively unlikely to occur flight. Of course, everyone knows that performance data for max range flights is something one should memorise for each one of the 30 or 40 types one has flown. Eliminates the whole library thing *and* saves having to keep such data in the aeroplane. Especially if you ignore all the model variants. Mea culpa.

[redsnail]

Tinny, tsk tsk, you didn't give it a girl look did you?

[Flintstone]

Nail/head Tinny. You're just not good enough. I mean, how dare you muse out loud about something and have the temerity to ask 'what-ifs' in here where we're all sky gods born with thousands of hours and hundreds of types on our birth certificates. We who have never had to contemplate anything new for we have done it all before, better than you ever will and exist only to sneer at you lesser mortals.

You disgust me. Away with you!



PS. Anyone who does that North Sea stuff, particularly through multiple winters, is a mentalist.

[Paradise Lost]

PS. Anyone who does that North Sea stuff, particularly through multiple winters, is a mentalist

Is a mentalist also a person who does more than one winter in the USSR? In that case most of your readers are mentalists and the others are just mental...(exempt me of course!)
Back to the main course...Mumbai to Fla.....has anyone actually checked whether it's quicker east or west-about? I mean timewise, because of travelling downwind east quite slowly, or ploughing into wind VERY slowly westward bound?

[500 above]

Hi all

Personally, I would tend to avoid Cairo this time of year in anything without an APU... I operate there quite often in a B200 and a bizjet. Delays for a stand on hall 4 (exec) delays whilst waiting for a follow me that only takes you 500m, For a quick(er) tech stop you could try HEAX Alexandria airport for a quick(er) turn. Tiger Aviation and ZAS Air both have a presence there.

[Cevert]

Hi guys. Hope you don't mind me posting for the first time on this thread, but I used to do this sort of thing twenty odd years ago, mostly out of West Africa.

Many good ideas about the route, but so much depends on time of year, total trip time allowance, your sense of adventure etc.

My experiences would have me depart Mumbai for Doha.From there you have a decision: is weather over KSA ok? if so, head for Cairo. If not, and you have the stomach for it, head for Adana,Turkey. Adana crews are used to dealing with Yanks because of Incirlik nearby. If you take this northern route, follow Max Torque's advice for Brindisi to Germany etc.

If you went to Egypt, next stop should be Valletta, Malta. Great people and worth the stop. I was back in May, folks there remember you from decades ago!

Departing Malta, I head to Toulouse. Again, great stop-over.

Rest is straightforward:Prestwick,Keflavík,Narsarsuaq, Goose Bay, Bangor