Learjet 60 fuel flow / cross atlantic ops

[cosmiccomet]

Dear fellows, I would like to know the Learjet 60 fuel flow.

Also I need information about where are the fuel stops for crossing the atlantic.
I was checking the Bombardier website and the range from Berlin goes almost to northeast Canada, so I was wondering if it is possible to go from Gander/Bangor to Luxemburg and the way back.

Thanks for your help.

[galaxy flyer]

Weather permitting-Shannon/Dublin to/from Bangor/Gander should work, based on the LR60's 5+30 range. I doubt ELLX to Bangor non-stop would work, but Gander-ELLX should work. On Newfoundland, there is Gander, St John's and Stephenville, further down Halifax and St. John, NB before you get to Bangor. All of these destinations have good services, ILS approaches, and good overnight facilities. OK, maybe not Stephenville.

I wouldn't put huge trust on the marketing charts-remember they use LRC cruise, 85% winds, nearby alternates (good weather in the NAM?) and 30 minutes fuel remaining at the alternate.

GF

[cosmiccomet]

Thanks for the information, please if you have the Fuel Flow number it would be the great help.

The owner of my company is thinking in buying a Learjet 60 and the our account manager wants to know the number for calculating the operational cost.

Thanks again.

[galaxy flyer]

Cannot help with exact fuel burns, need to get a experienced LR 60 pilot for that.

GF

[JoeCo]

1st HR: 1900 lbs (dont forget approx. 100 for taxi!)
last HR; 1100lbs
1500Lbs for every HR in between

That averages out to 1500 lbs per HR. Those numbers work real well for trips under 3.5 hours operating at FL400ish (390-410)

On longer trips it works out to be more like 1400 Lbs for every hour inbetween.

However, that is for High Speed Cruise. ie. Barber Pole -5 kts. which is roughly Mach .78

If you are looking to get your 5:30 HR range that will be in LRC and you can count on

1st Hr: 1800 lbs (taxi fuel included)
last HR: 1000 lbs
1300 lbs for every hour inbetween. (1350ish for begning of flight decreasing to 1250ish near end of flight)

Starting at FL390/400 and working your way up to FL430 for the last 1.5 Hrs.

Hope that helps.

[rigpiggy]

I thought putting such exotic locales as iqaluit, reykjavik, gander etc.... in your logbook was half the fun.

[Nose Gunner]

Lear 60 uel Flow

High Speed Cruise:

1800 first hour
1400 second hour
1200 third hour
1100 fourth hour

[transilvana]

Range 2.300nm, not more than that, LRC can give you top 5:15hrs plus extra fuel but high and low speeds cruise doesn´t make much difference above FL410. If you are heavy on pax you´ll loose 0:30 hrs on range.

[Habu73]

The posted fuelfigures are correct, + for inflight planning,the performance-charts of bombardier are pretty accurate.In practice, the northatlantic-nonstop- route is only working oneway on the 60.Taking into account the strong winds+ high temperatures,LRC doesn´t make to much sence, +fuelflow would be ~80lbs higher.Destinations and alternates in the Newfoundland-area are limiting often due weather and distance.You don´t want to go there on minimumfuel.Take a quick stop at KEF and go highspeed.For the return St John´s or Gander-Luxemburg is a direct flight under average conditions. Hope it helps,Geetz T

[triocean]

If you're looking for airports going East, your best three are: Gander, Goose Bay, and Halifax.
Keep in mind it is freezing. Last trip there I was taking Steven Seagal to Romania and it was minus 12 C.

[Flyin' High]

Not sure of the range on a 60.

But Prestwick seems to be a good option for the stop.

Based on the Great circle figures it is a benefit of around 70NM over Shannon.

Berlin - Shannon - Goose 2645 nm
EDDB - EINN 819 nm
EINN - CYYR 1826 nm

Berlin - Prestwick - Goose 2576 nm
EDDB - EGPK 667 nm
EGPK - CYYR 1909 nm

I hear really good things about the Ocean Sky FBO at Prestwick. They seem to specialise in tech stops. I hope to use them soon.

[Flintstone]

Originally Posted by triocean

......taking Steven Seagal to Romania and it was minus 12 C.

Would it have been warmer with another name?

[Habu73]

Again,try to devide the westbound leg in 2 equal portions,and you´ll end up at in Island for a fuelstop.BIKF provide quick service + an FBO in case you need one for 20min groundtime?Avoid to go 1900nm against the jet, to end up in real ****ty weather at your only destination on min fuel.And that´s what to expect over there,with or without Steven S.Cheers T

[Der_Fischmeister]

hi

Last time i flew that way we had CHUCK NORRIS in the back ,he was threatening me with several "ROUND-HOUSE-KICKS " if temperature was below -12C....



Cheeeeerrrssssss

[411A]

I thought putting such exotic locales as iqaluit, reykjavik, gander etc.... in your logbook was half the fun

Not if you have to get out of the airplane in the winter, they ain't.
Summertime...OK.