Private biz jet

[pilotatlast]

Question: Can you fly a biz jet for a private owner of say an aircraft (G V ) registered in Bahamas under a FAA PPL with a FAA class 3 medical?

[ed1016nw]

no you cant

[G-SPOTs Lost]

Think you can not P1 or commercial, I'll check for defo

[Smeagels Boyfriend]

Even if legally that was possible i would most definatly discourage it and would ask myself a few questions first. That sort of machine is HIGHLY automated, even before you go wandering off into the big wide world it was designed to operate in. If you throw into the mix all the poetential issues you could face it's scary. If it is a HUD and EVS equipped aircraft could you say hand on heart you would have not have a second thought about operating it down to 100 Feet? I have second thoughts about doing it and thats with 5,000 + hours jet experience.

It's a serious bit of kit and i can tell you from experience that the rating itself is not a pay 60k and you get your paperwork sort of deal, far from it infact. Just my thoughts for what it's worth and i can certainly put you in touch with some very experienced FAA rated guys (not me i'm a brit!!)

[Nashers]

with a ppl you will need to make sure you are in constant sight of the ground and in class G airspace...going to be hard work reading that map when doing 400 miles per hour and looking out for the bug splattering 152s!!

[chornedsnorkack]

So, what is the maximum size of a plane which can be flown by PPL in and out of USA?

In USA, Gulfstreams are under Part 91. Sounds like it should be perfectly legal to fly a Gulfstream as PPL - with endorsement like turbine plane, multicrew, pilot in command, type rating... what is the true list? And since CPL is required to fly for hire, presumably a non-owner PPL could only fly a Gulfstream as an unpaid friend of owner, not as employee...

USA also has Part 125. All planes with over 2700 kg payload capacities require a crew of both CPL-s. And planes with required FE also tend to have such size.

But ICAO knows nothing of Part 125. Any plane flown noncommercially, regardless of size, can be flown by PPLs.

Does Bahama recognize Part 125?

[G-SPOTs Lost]

Im fairly certain it can be done, The Bahamas bit is a red herring they will just validate whatever they get presented with thats legal.

Its also legal on a JAA PPL, ATP knowledgae, multi, IR, 1000Hrs to satisfy Fsi you're good to go

You wont get on the course without an IR

Possible-Yes, Legal -Yes, Practical and sensible errrrr.......

[BlueVolta]

Under JAA or now EASA to fly a bizjet you need to have a type rating or the mini requirement to have the TR endorsed on your license are:
CPL/IR + Theoretical ATPL + MCC + valid IR

You cannot do a TR with a PPL at least in EASA system.

About FAA quite not sure as the SIC endorsement is very "strange", but for PIC definitevely an ATP is a must.

And by the way, if you fly PPL you will be able to fly only for yourself, ie without reward and eventually share the costs with the other on board...

[happyjack]

Just try to get insured on a GV with a PPL! You are having a laugh surely?

[G-SPOTs Lost]

I would venture that if this person concerned was looking to have a go in his G5. Then its probably a very wealthy owner that may just want to go do the course and understand a little more about the $50 mil investment he's just made.

Cant see a problem with him in the RHS doing the odd trip in summer from cavok apt to cavok apt with some crusty capt in the LHS politely keeping him between the rails. I would iamgine the "proper" FO would be on the jumpseat.

If my boss took the time and trouble to take time from his very busy day and manage to get a TR (as somebody said before they don't give any gulfstream rating away in cereal packets regardless of your perosnal balance sheet) then good luck to him.

It keeps his interst in aviation, lets him brag about flying it himself at dinner parties. Decidedly uncomfortable for all the pro's involved I grant you but these guys are incredibly successful and dont have a lot of boxes to tick left!

now if its some wannabee C152 pilot asking the question then the answer is NO!

Bluevolta - it can be done on a PPL, you cannot act as P1 in easa without a valid ATPL

Happyjack - its only normally declared captains nowadays with a stipulation in private ops that all crew have attended sim training in the last 24 months

Happy to be proved wrong etc etc

[chornedsnorkack]

if you fly PPL you will be able to fly only for yourself, ie without reward and eventually share the costs with the other on board...

Does it mean that a free flight is a flight for reward - that is, reaching a destination the pilot wants to reach, logging flight time or the enjoyment of flying count as rewards in kind and therefore a PPL is not allowed to have them?

[fullyspooled]

If my memory serves me correctly, the PPL specifies aircraft up to a cetain weight limit. Is it not 12,500 lbs in Europe, or 5.7 tonnes? I'm sure that one needs at least a CPL to fly something larger, and of course a TR would be required even if flights were to be conducted VFR and out of airways.

My knowledge of aviation law is strictly limited to those regulations that I am potentially likely to bust - and as my licence covers the category, this aint one of them!

[suchiman]

Don't know about Bahamas regs but,

Most aviation authorities require a Type rating to fly a Jet. The FAA doesn't as SIC.

Doing a type ride entails Commercial/instrument license at the very least.

Of course, as mentioned above, insurance would be unavailable. Unless maybe the guy being insured was also the owner of the insurance company.

Under FAA reg's you would need a high altitude checkout to fly a pressurized high performance airplane, and in most airspace in the world that would entail going high enough to require a IR rating.

Ultimately speaking it might be " marginally posible", but definitely not practical or safe and very absurd

[CargoOne]

JAA PPL requires Class 1 or Class 2 medical... What is FAA Class 3?

[suchiman]

Class 3 is for private pilots. Good for 24 months.

[Vee1Kut]

For a type rating you only typicaly need a private license and instrument rating as a minimum. A class three med means you are private pilot not for hire. Yes it's legal. Obviously a PPL getting insured or through 4 weeks of GIV school is pretty much up against it. But legal yes. Not sure if you can get a VFR only type rating. Keep in mind about insurance...most pilots have never bought insurance, thier boss's do, nor have they shopped, in reality...there will always be a an insurance company will insure anyone legal to fly, as long as the premium justifies the risk in thier eyes.As far as the Bahamas goes, they have all sorts of N registered jets that park there, with no one asking the pilots how they are rated.

[Romeo India Xray]

BlueVolta

You cannot do a TR with a PPL at least in EASA system.

Could you please advise me of the JAR reference for this. It may be a locally enforced requirement of your own authority, but my understanding of JAR-FCL 1.250 is that the prerequisite requirements for a multi pilot TR are 70hrs PIC, an instrument rating, Multi-engine rating, MCC and completed ATPL theoretical knowledge exams (1.250 states you should have met the requirements of 1.285 which is ATPL theoretical knowledge requriements for the ATPL).

All this from memory (so please don't lynch me if I misquoted anything), damn I need to get out more!!!

RIX

[Pace]

You can fly a JAA corporate jet on a PPL as I know of one owner who did that on a G reg Citation 2. Yes he held an IR and type rating and was a very experienced pilot who was also single pilot approved on the Citation 2.

Without an IR ? Pilots do fly private hunters, provosts, etc. So day VFR only?

Pace

[flybypilot]

With regards to the Hunters, Provosts etc arent they under a national exemption, and therefore within the UK only? No TR involved, just conversion training?

[pilotatlast]

Thanks for the responses.
So with a class three medical, FAAATP theory exams passed, type rating and FAA IR passed i could fly my bermuda reg GV for a private owner.