LEA Redundancies?
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lets make no mistake here.....people are losing their jobs which has a direct impact on thier livelihood and families. Comparing it to a catering company buying less bread, in the words of Mr. Brockwell, is nothing short of pathetic, and at the very least downright tactless.
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Cniall
Well said mate.
Maybe Mr Brockwell should be concentrating more on his operation than sitting on here commenting on everything.
Maybe his operation is not as busy as he thinks, hense the time to sit on PRUNE!!!!
Maybe Mr Brockwell should be concentrating more on his operation than sitting on here commenting on everything.
Maybe his operation is not as busy as he thinks, hense the time to sit on PRUNE!!!!
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CNAILL,
I was simply stating an economic fact, if you have less business you can afford less staff. The point I was trying to get accross was that cutting overhead is part of survival through a recession, not necessarilly an indication of impending doom.
I was simply stating an economic fact, if you have less business you can afford less staff. The point I was trying to get accross was that cutting overhead is part of survival through a recession, not necessarilly an indication of impending doom.
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I was simply stating an economic fact, if you have less business you can afford less staff. The point I was trying to get accross was that cutting overhead is part of survival through a recession, not necessarilly an indication of impending doom.
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Mike,
It's not just crews, every department will be facing cost cuts.
Approachcheck, and Cniall,
Unnecessary criticism, ill informed and out of context. It's got sod all to do with you what I do with my time. If you knew anything about me you would know that the hours I put into this company could never be questioned. You also obviously know nothing about what I do here because in sales and marketing you get busier when things are quieter so in your logic we must be really busy if I'm on pprune all day rather than generating business. The reality is we're quiet, like everyone. 10 minutes on here really won't put a huge dent in my day which is normally significantly longer than any FTL scheme would allow.
With attitudes like yours I'm sure your employer will have you fairly high on the pecking list if redundancies are required.
Phil
It's not just crews, every department will be facing cost cuts.
Approachcheck, and Cniall,
Unnecessary criticism, ill informed and out of context. It's got sod all to do with you what I do with my time. If you knew anything about me you would know that the hours I put into this company could never be questioned. You also obviously know nothing about what I do here because in sales and marketing you get busier when things are quieter so in your logic we must be really busy if I'm on pprune all day rather than generating business. The reality is we're quiet, like everyone. 10 minutes on here really won't put a huge dent in my day which is normally significantly longer than any FTL scheme would allow.
With attitudes like yours I'm sure your employer will have you fairly high on the pecking list if redundancies are required.
Phil
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And very well stated it was too in my opinion. However, did you expect to get many followers on a pilot network? It's possible that harsh economics are easier to swallow when you're not on the receiving end of a redundancy notice, hence the emotion seen here.
Don´t be so touchy.
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I wish I understood why people on here sometimes choose to have a pop at people like Phil who is welded to his desk 24 hours a day keeping his planes flying but at the same time there are utter tossers affiliated to this industry who get off scott free.
Pilots have to moan - its in the genes. Lets just agree to focus the negative comments at the total tossers and criminals in this industry. My ex bosses owe me £16,200 in salary, £4000 in expenses (I paid fuel and handling a couple of times so that passengers didnt get stuck), and I'm being chased for a company debt of £6500 with regard to CRE training. They never paid a penny of rent to their landlord in over a year of being in Stansted, didn't pay owners when they chartered out their planes, allowed engine maintence and pro parts contracts to lapse on customers aircraft, carried on using fuel cards after they had been withdrawn (thats called theft) and traded for over 9 months in the full knowlege that they were in a totally unresolvable situation (insolvent) and went bust owing 1.5mil and don't even have enough assets for an administrator to get appointed because there will be no fees! If you want to have a pop at someone, have a go at people like them because they are a cancer in this industry. (yes Duck I have all the paperwork to support this and will make it freely available to absolutely anyone that wants it).
Why do brokers continue to give work to people like this?
Pilots have to moan - its in the genes. Lets just agree to focus the negative comments at the total tossers and criminals in this industry. My ex bosses owe me £16,200 in salary, £4000 in expenses (I paid fuel and handling a couple of times so that passengers didnt get stuck), and I'm being chased for a company debt of £6500 with regard to CRE training. They never paid a penny of rent to their landlord in over a year of being in Stansted, didn't pay owners when they chartered out their planes, allowed engine maintence and pro parts contracts to lapse on customers aircraft, carried on using fuel cards after they had been withdrawn (thats called theft) and traded for over 9 months in the full knowlege that they were in a totally unresolvable situation (insolvent) and went bust owing 1.5mil and don't even have enough assets for an administrator to get appointed because there will be no fees! If you want to have a pop at someone, have a go at people like them because they are a cancer in this industry. (yes Duck I have all the paperwork to support this and will make it freely available to absolutely anyone that wants it).
Why do brokers continue to give work to people like this?
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Re Phil Brockwell
This guy is legend he has worked in the Industry for a Good many years.
I to worked in the industry for a lot of years and although I have never met Phil I have spoken to him and had dealings with him
Phil and I have both seen over the years the fly by night operators who flaunt the law have no A O C and just take the Pxxs out of the Operators that do things Legally
All the anti Phil Brigade can I ask you
How long have you been in the Industry ?
I Bet you all drive around in Big Fancy Cars dressed to the nine s in your Saville Row suits telling all the Customers how good you are and making totally false promises about what you can offer..
Guys keep of Phil s Back he knows what he is doing and I bet he wishes he could name all the Wanxxrs he has had the misfortune to come across in his carrer.
Phil weve seen em come and go and will still see these creeps on the curcuit for may years to come.
Whilst the C A A are kept in there mode (We cant do anything about its because in not on the Uk Register) these people will linger on .
Phil I Respect you as one of the Gentlemen in this Industry and I assure you there are not many of us left
Regards
This guy is legend he has worked in the Industry for a Good many years.
I to worked in the industry for a lot of years and although I have never met Phil I have spoken to him and had dealings with him
Phil and I have both seen over the years the fly by night operators who flaunt the law have no A O C and just take the Pxxs out of the Operators that do things Legally
All the anti Phil Brigade can I ask you
How long have you been in the Industry ?
I Bet you all drive around in Big Fancy Cars dressed to the nine s in your Saville Row suits telling all the Customers how good you are and making totally false promises about what you can offer..
Guys keep of Phil s Back he knows what he is doing and I bet he wishes he could name all the Wanxxrs he has had the misfortune to come across in his carrer.
Phil weve seen em come and go and will still see these creeps on the curcuit for may years to come.
Whilst the C A A are kept in there mode (We cant do anything about its because in not on the Uk Register) these people will linger on .
Phil I Respect you as one of the Gentlemen in this Industry and I assure you there are not many of us left
Regards
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Phil....I think you'll find that I never mentioned anything about how you run your operation. From what I hear you do a damn good job. Believe me, I know how economics work and obviously if there is no work, pilots, amongst countless other professions will get laid off.....no patronising economic lesson needed here. My point was that there's no need to be so 'matter of fact' about it when it's obvious from this thread and others, that emotions are running high. I have many close friends in the pilot industry who have been laid off recently, without even the comfort of being paid any redundancy. People who are tens of thousands of pounds in debt due to their flight training and who are now severley struggling to support their families. I know it's a difficult time for everyone and companies must reduce overheads in order to survive, but I certainly wouldn't like to be in that position.
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All the anti Phil Brigade
And I´m in the industry only since 20 years and I drive a VW Rabbit and wear Jeans when not in uniform.
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Sheeeze - so it's OK to start posting about LEA going tits up, but I'm described as pathetic if I mention the inevitability of redundancies in a "matter of fact" way.
Please accept my sincere apologies if I offended anyone by speaking matter of factly, I was unaware of the sensitive nature of some of the ppruners.
Please accept my sincere apologies if I offended anyone by speaking matter of factly, I was unaware of the sensitive nature of some of the ppruners.
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I was unaware of the sensitive nature of some of the ppruners.
Come on Phil, they are pilots!!! YOU should know that we are shy and sensitive.
Please watch your language for aforementioned reasons.
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Let's face facts here guys. If we wanted job security we would have worked in a bank...er I mean...woolworth's...er...not sure actually. I reckon Barbers will do OK though. We all need our hair cutting from time to time and the Barbers will pick up extra customers who used to go to a stylist. So, ditch the demi wave, and get a short back and sides instead.
The moral of the story is that Aviation has always been the same....same sh1t different flight number. This happened in the 80's, the 90's and now in 00's. In the early 90's I knew a guy who had 5000hrs, of which 4500 were turbo prop and he took a job at Burger King for a year until things got better. It's just the way it is.
It will all get better soon enough.
The moral of the story is that Aviation has always been the same....same sh1t different flight number. This happened in the 80's, the 90's and now in 00's. In the early 90's I knew a guy who had 5000hrs, of which 4500 were turbo prop and he took a job at Burger King for a year until things got better. It's just the way it is.
It will all get better soon enough.
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Im shure it will get better again. The problem is that every time it gets better after a downspell, pilot jobs pay less. Hard tendency to stop, i understand, because if you have been unemployed for a year, you accept lower T&C's in order to go back to work.
The bottom line though is that pilots make pretty much the same as 20 years ago!
A bit unfortunate when you think that every time aviation comes back, it grows to a larger size that before! People are flying much more now than 20 years ago, and yes, tickets are cheaper, but we should still be commanding higher rates.
The bottom line though is that pilots make pretty much the same as 20 years ago!
A bit unfortunate when you think that every time aviation comes back, it grows to a larger size that before! People are flying much more now than 20 years ago, and yes, tickets are cheaper, but we should still be commanding higher rates.
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Well said FPL. As one who ended up driving a van during the early nineties (if you don't remember 'em, consider this year as your first really important lesson in aviation) but was lucky enough to stay employed through the 80s,this is a cycle.
Keep your head down, don't leave your current job in a fit of pique and burn bridges behind you. All companies are battening down the hatches to protect themselves from the gathering storm and they're doing it to try and protect you as well as the business.
If you're considering leaving you're current employer, ask yourself one question - who's seniority list do do want to join at the bottom right now?
FPL - it's worth looking at the undertaking industry too. They will always have customers, some on the pavement below Canary Wharf..
Keep your head down, don't leave your current job in a fit of pique and burn bridges behind you. All companies are battening down the hatches to protect themselves from the gathering storm and they're doing it to try and protect you as well as the business.
If you're considering leaving you're current employer, ask yourself one question - who's seniority list do do want to join at the bottom right now?
FPL - it's worth looking at the undertaking industry too. They will always have customers, some on the pavement below Canary Wharf..
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Hopefully this global recession slows the army of recruits comming through Oxford and such places for a few years. There's just too many pilots paying £80k for a frozen ATPL and then forcing the salaries down.