Anybody here flying the Falcon 7X ?
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Anybody here flying the Falcon 7X ?
Greetings...wondering if anyone has a flying job on this new aircraft. How is the machine and the pay, if I may ask. Thanks in advance.
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It has winglets, and extra engine and it is a "big" a/c. Bare in mind, unbeknown to you, you are probably part of the test flight program.
I would go for a 30% rise if I were you.
I would go for a 30% rise if I were you.
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Do I read any negative vibes in your comment? Is this the old 'Francophobia' that used to be notorious in your area?
Let's face it, any new machine is prone to growing pains of any kind. Be it French, American or whatever. I don't know why the big airframers keep making the same screw-ups and promise things they can't keep. The A380, A400M and B787 are only the most recent examples.
But I know this for sure: the 7X is a very nice and powerful machine which is capable of doing the same as a G500 - at a much lighter mass (= minus 24,000 lbs or so) and at higher speeds. Whenever this thing is fully ready, it will be fun to drive.
And yes, in terms of salary this should be in the same category like the Gulfstreams. Particularly considering the exclusivity of being in the club of holders of a type rating...
Do I read any negative vibes in your comment? Is this the old 'Francophobia' that used to be notorious in your area?
Let's face it, any new machine is prone to growing pains of any kind. Be it French, American or whatever. I don't know why the big airframers keep making the same screw-ups and promise things they can't keep. The A380, A400M and B787 are only the most recent examples.
But I know this for sure: the 7X is a very nice and powerful machine which is capable of doing the same as a G500 - at a much lighter mass (= minus 24,000 lbs or so) and at higher speeds. Whenever this thing is fully ready, it will be fun to drive.
And yes, in terms of salary this should be in the same category like the Gulfstreams. Particularly considering the exclusivity of being in the club of holders of a type rating...
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the exclusivity of being in the club of holders of a type rating...
Now I'm sure I'm wrong but this reads to me as being from someone who is either on a commission from Dassault, has been reading too many sales brochures or is under the impression that the type rating maketh the man.
Surely nobody would be that shallow?
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The 7X, besides the FBW once it is in flight above 400ft on take Off and before 50 ft on landing is agreat aircraft. HOWEVER,
Avionics is outdated, not the hardware, the mess that Dassault did with Epic.
Look at what Gulfstream got, it is a winner hand down.
the documentation is awfull, there is nearly 4000 pages, and half of it is useless and another 25% is trying to convince the birds how to fly.
The only nice thing on the Easy is the FPV, but what a trade-off !!!
Even if my heart is flying falcon, I have to say that these last versions are not properly fine tuned, the 2000 Easy or worse the 900 Easy 5 years down in production have NO vertical OR Lateral guidance on Take-Off below 400 ft!
The 7x trims stops FROZEN at 50 ft; if the stick is held to long on touch down the NWS has only 1.5° of authority.. Answer : Differential braking works... The list goes on for ever....
And wait for the Xwind limit of 23 kt....what a beast !!!!!
This is a miss , this aircraft is good on the ramp, but no thank you... I would rather fly a Global.... that says it all...
Avionics is outdated, not the hardware, the mess that Dassault did with Epic.
Look at what Gulfstream got, it is a winner hand down.
the documentation is awfull, there is nearly 4000 pages, and half of it is useless and another 25% is trying to convince the birds how to fly.
The only nice thing on the Easy is the FPV, but what a trade-off !!!
Even if my heart is flying falcon, I have to say that these last versions are not properly fine tuned, the 2000 Easy or worse the 900 Easy 5 years down in production have NO vertical OR Lateral guidance on Take-Off below 400 ft!
The 7x trims stops FROZEN at 50 ft; if the stick is held to long on touch down the NWS has only 1.5° of authority.. Answer : Differential braking works... The list goes on for ever....
And wait for the Xwind limit of 23 kt....what a beast !!!!!
This is a miss , this aircraft is good on the ramp, but no thank you... I would rather fly a Global.... that says it all...
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I'm curious to know what the benefit of vertical and lateral guidance would be below 400 ft. It does Cat 3's...is there something I'm missing?
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jr of dallas : We are not going to argue on the flaws of the Easy family and like, seing that you are located in LBG, you should have all these infos first hand.
Since 199" , when the concept was designed EASy did not evolved at all. Gulfstream has just certified on Epic software, the full synthetic vision, with flying color, FPV and else, where are we with the falcons ? The answers are ALWAYS the same at operators meetings... We will look into it.. The Coode's need revision for years and nothing is done, the LX is in limbo, and 7x's ramping up in hangars, for "completion".
jungle drums :
I do agree 100%; however it is difficult to write in an operator manual, the proper way to fly these aircrafts since Dassault does not give a damn to change the litterature (Codde) in order for us to have a paper backup. So for the time being we are stuck with controversial modus operandi.
7x's......well Certification, Operations; hopefully the old guys are now leaving the flight test center, and we might see the light.....
Since 199" , when the concept was designed EASy did not evolved at all. Gulfstream has just certified on Epic software, the full synthetic vision, with flying color, FPV and else, where are we with the falcons ? The answers are ALWAYS the same at operators meetings... We will look into it.. The Coode's need revision for years and nothing is done, the LX is in limbo, and 7x's ramping up in hangars, for "completion".
jungle drums :
I do agree 100%; however it is difficult to write in an operator manual, the proper way to fly these aircrafts since Dassault does not give a damn to change the litterature (Codde) in order for us to have a paper backup. So for the time being we are stuck with controversial modus operandi.
7x's......well Certification, Operations; hopefully the old guys are now leaving the flight test center, and we might see the light.....
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Dear Flintstone...
Now I'm sure I'm wrong but this reads to me as being from someone who is either on a commission from Dassault, has been reading too many sales brochures or is under the impression that the type rating maketh the man.
No, I'm definitely not from Dassault nor am I an sales brochure afficionado. Rather an end user who is temporarily 'forced' to steer a (in my personal opinion) far inferior product from the other side of the Atlantic Ocean.
Other than that I am okay. Thanks!
No, I'm definitely not from Dassault nor am I an sales brochure afficionado. Rather an end user who is temporarily 'forced' to steer a (in my personal opinion) far inferior product from the other side of the Atlantic Ocean.
Other than that I am okay. Thanks!
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From the Dassault website: The Falcon 7X achieves its maximum range with a large payload-eight passengers, plus a crew of four (three pilots and a flight attendant).
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The 7X, besides the FBW once it is in flight above 400ft on take Off and before 50 ft on landing is agreat aircraft. HOWEVER,
Avionics is outdated, not the hardware, the mess that Dassault did with Epic.
Look at what Gulfstream got, it is a winner hand down.
the documentation is awfull, there is nearly 4000 pages, and half of it is useless and another 25% is trying to convince the birds how to fly.
The only nice thing on the Easy is the FPV, but what a trade-off !!!
Even if my heart is flying falcon, I have to say that these last versions are not properly fine tuned, the 2000 Easy or worse the 900 Easy 5 years down in production have NO vertical OR Lateral guidance on Take-Off below 400 ft!
The 7x trims stops FROZEN at 50 ft; if the stick is held to long on touch down the NWS has only 1.5° of authority.. Answer : Differential braking works... The list goes on for ever....
And wait for the Xwind limit of 23 kt....what a beast !!!!!
This is a miss , this aircraft is good on the ramp, but no thank you... I would rather fly a Global.... that says it all...
Avionics is outdated, not the hardware, the mess that Dassault did with Epic.
Look at what Gulfstream got, it is a winner hand down.
the documentation is awfull, there is nearly 4000 pages, and half of it is useless and another 25% is trying to convince the birds how to fly.
The only nice thing on the Easy is the FPV, but what a trade-off !!!
Even if my heart is flying falcon, I have to say that these last versions are not properly fine tuned, the 2000 Easy or worse the 900 Easy 5 years down in production have NO vertical OR Lateral guidance on Take-Off below 400 ft!
The 7x trims stops FROZEN at 50 ft; if the stick is held to long on touch down the NWS has only 1.5° of authority.. Answer : Differential braking works... The list goes on for ever....
And wait for the Xwind limit of 23 kt....what a beast !!!!!
This is a miss , this aircraft is good on the ramp, but no thank you... I would rather fly a Global.... that says it all...
Give me your adress I' ll send you a sticker...
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I have the sticker, the key holder, the bag, the flight suit, the cap, the books, i must be missing something in the middle..
4 years went by, since my last post on this thread. They managed to fix a lot of stuff, hopefully !
Does this make the 7X a better plane ? the initial design flaws are still present, it is just a little bit more reliable; but the crews are still crossing their fingers at the FBW test, or when the aircraft is towed...
I love Dassault planes, but the 7X.....
4 years went by, since my last post on this thread. They managed to fix a lot of stuff, hopefully !
Does this make the 7X a better plane ? the initial design flaws are still present, it is just a little bit more reliable; but the crews are still crossing their fingers at the FBW test, or when the aircraft is towed...
I love Dassault planes, but the 7X.....
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I'm no 7X driver, but the company I work for have a couple, and in the last year or so they haven't "gone tech" once AFAIK.
Also, the pilots absolutely love flying it.
I think MXX is pretty expensive though...
Also, the pilots absolutely love flying it.
I think MXX is pretty expensive though...