Blink

[African Drunk]

The type rating for single pilot ac can be done as multi crew with Flight safety with less than 1000hrs.

[G-SPOTs Lost]

Highflight

Ok lets put this naysayer bs to bed

From me on page 1

Sincerely wish you all the best with it though, I'm sure it will be a great success

From you

I repeat CRM wasn't invented by the Americans or anyone else, it's in all of us to a greater or lesser degree and has been since the begining of time.eg "by all means you eat that Mammoth and I'll catch the next one that comes along old boy" ie manners ,empathy,the ability to listen,to give commands to include other people in decision making etc etc etc in otherwords what makes most of us decent human beings,don't make out it's anything much more than that,it's just been given that fancy title and applied to the aviation environment.

I agree and think you are right.

Regarding the rating I think your just plain wrong,don't see with the right training why a 250 hour pilot shouldn't sail through.I guess you had better start throwing your toys out of the cockpit and get your complaints in early.

We'll see, having actually sat in the bloody thing at wichita and done some base training with one of the instructors, there is a common theme emerging.

That being that experienced multi pilot types are getting caught out by this thing and themselves are surprised by "this little jet" not saying that people arn't getting through, just that its a little more of a handful than its size or designator (C510) would make people think.

Said instructor also told me that the unofficial designator for the program "is the yard dart" whatever that means

Single pilot Jet flying in the USA is very heavily regulated and checking is fairly fierce, this is why the FAA have instigated a three tier type rating for this aircraft you are either single crew, mentored or co pilot only.

This was at flightsafety and cessnas behest to stop them having to chop owner flyers

Last time I looked JAR did not make this provision so if you think that these 180 - 250hr guys are going to come out of a Seneca and pass a sporty single pilot jet type in the USA with USA instructors and checkers then think again.

I hope the 200hr FO is not in your bible thick business plan.

Cabus

but I must agree I cant imagine the TR being unmanageable but we will have to wait and see

Having read your previous posts and with all due respect for your opinion have you got a type rating or any two crew experience?

Oh and highflight

Finer points of corporate aviation!!,what carrying bags,loading bags,hoovering and polishing the interior,collecting the trash,filling my own loadsheet,collecting my own weather,paying the landing fees,talking to the passengers,flying into tricky airfields at night in foul weather etc etc,I did it all in the airline world we weren't that closetted.

Brilliant!

[Flintstone]

Originally Posted by GSPOTS Lost

Said instructor also told me that the unofficial designator for the program "is the yard dart" whatever that means...

GSPOTS. Yard (lawn) darts.





I had a similar conversation with instructors at a FSI centre only last week. Some of them are seriously worried at the prospect of these aircraft being punted around by owner/pilots and think they are being underestimated by those who think they can pretty much FUFO*.

Interesting times ahead.







*Shortest mnemonic/checklist ever. FUFO='Fire Up, F#ck Off'.

[CABUS]

Gspots- your totally correct with you assumption that I have minimal multi crew experience, enough to have delt with a mayday into LPL but that was on my second day. Still a minimal amount but I have worked in the industry for five years before even I started flying.

I totally agree with Flintstone, the a/c flown by single owner pilots is quite worrying but I am sure with experienced multi crew ops things should be better.

[CaptainProp]

Highflight - There is a bit of a difference between a 2-250 hr FO and a BA/Cathay FO, more precisely about 2-4000 hrs difference, previous jet experience and in many cases previous jet and/or turbo prop command time.

I am not saying that someone is right or wrong here, but I don't think you can compare the two cases.....

CP

[His dudeness]

I remember flying a freelance trip with Citation II with roughly 150hrs under the belt as total Jet time. My Copilot was on his FIRST trip after the SIM. We went EDDS-EGLL-LFPG-EDDS.
This trip was a nightmare. The guy was just good to handle the coffee bin. So it was me going basicallly SH into Heathrow, for the first time btw.
But within a few hours he turned in a capable, good F/O.
That is the routine we all went through and I don´t think that this is different in Blink or any other new startup company. I never flew the 510 but I do have some 2000rs C525/525A and I don´t think the Mustang is very different in its flying characteristics. The 525 is easy to fly. The Garmin 1000 is easy to handle.
If they really stick with experienced Captains (get them is the prob!) then I wouldn´t worry about that. The CRM "problem" is a laugh. Many airlines had 250hrs cos and there was/is no prob.
Real question is: can they be cheaper or so much better that they can attract the amount of customers they need.
If so, they have every right and cause to be in the market, if not...

[Flintstone]

I'm surprised that anyone might not see the command gradient as not being a (potential) problem.

The difference between airline ops and small aircraft of course is that one has room for a SFO or other supplementary crew during a trainee's first few sectors and the other doesn't. Line flying in airlines can be more 'by the numbers' and therefore easier to pick up in the early days. Put these two together and it's easy to see how 200 hour FO's will struggle.

[Nearly There]

Any news folks? as ops where meant to start this month, all seems quite on the Blink website and here..have any A/C arrived as yet and have they started operations yet?

[eglk01]

Yes GFBLK Arrived Blackbushe sunday,very nice looking,its over at farnborough at the moment.

regards

j.

[x933]

Same aircraft was on the Pan at EGLF Weds, looked like an official launch type thing. Lots of people having pictures taken with the aircraft.

[robash]

on GINFO, TAG are down as the registered owners of G-FBLK, I thought they were only managing/operating the aircraft which was owned by Blink??

Profuse apologies if I have missed something on this thread or elsewhere.

[Gulf4uk]

Picture : G-fblk =

HI

Taken by a Blackbushe Mate of mine at the Bushe

http://kensphotos.photoblog.org.uk/p50350953.html


Tony

[Nearly There]

Thanks for that, photo looks good, and thats the Blink logo on the front so dont understand the TAG bit on GINFO, TAGs AOC I believe but would have thought ownership was Blink.

looked like an official launch type thing.

Would have expected a bit more fireworks, lights, champers and/or something on there home homepage at least if it was a launch.

Good luck all

[eglk01]

hi all aircraft is back at Blackbushe,will dep sunday for EBACE In Geneva,
where it should be on static display!.

see some of you out there next week
cheers
J.

[Highflight420]

Just for info, Blink passed it's CAA approval flight last week and will now be able to open it's doors for business under TAG's AOC.

Three more aircraft due for delivery this year and 12 more pilot to recruit.

[charterguy]

This is getting boring.

Like so many times before, the guys behind blink woke up in the middle of night with a hard on for aviation. Have you ever wondered why so many people make their millions in their forties and fifties ? It's called experience, but there are no guarantees. LH woke up in the middle of the night and dreamt up Silverjet, and see what happened to him. All these people are good at is writing business plans designed to suck in unsuspecting investors. It's the investors who will ultimatley lose money. If you want respect, put up your own money ! Haven't got any ? Go get a job - earn some, then risk your own money.

As someone said earlier, it's going to be over - in a BLINK.

CG

[Iver]

How many pilot have already been hired for Blink? Are all based at Farnborough or will there be other bases?

[McDoo]

Host AOCs

This will doubtless affect more operators than just Blink but under the new EASA rules, the use of host AOCs for start up companies will not be permitted. Someone's got their work cut out.....

[No RYR for me]

Charterguy:

Priceless, so true!

[plinkton]

charterguy:

This is getting boring.

Like so many times before, the guys behind blink woke up in the middle of night with a hard on for aviation. Have you ever wondered why so many people make their millions in their forties and fifties ? It's called experience, but there are no guarantees. LH woke up in the middle of the night and dreamt up Silverjet, and see what happened to him. All these people are good at is writing business plans designed to suck in unsuspecting investors. It's the investors who will ultimatley lose money. If you want respect, put up your own money ! Haven't got any ? Go get a job - earn some, then risk your own money.

As someone said earlier, it's going to be over - in a BLINK.

I'm curious as to the success of big start-ups compared to smaller 'grown' businesses, there must be less risk with a business that is grown from nothing. Even G**d A*R started smallish before they got their 'special funding'.

Can anyone tell me the success / failure rates for the two types?