Nakheel Aviation - Dubai
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Started operations during spring 2006.
They also operate a G-IV.
Legacys are A6-NKL and A6-DPW
Global is a 5000.
Very interesting radio interview with Managing Director Horm Irani here :
http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidDE070605071409703431
They also operate a G-IV.
Legacys are A6-NKL and A6-DPW
Global is a 5000.
Very interesting radio interview with Managing Director Horm Irani here :
http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidDE070605071409703431
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FLYVIP Is Spot On
Not sure where FLYVIP received his info but I heard and can confirm the same. WHERE THERE IS SMOKE THERE IS FIRE.
I sent in a CV and spoke to the training manager. Just after speaking to the training manager, I decided not to pursue a career with them. He seemed very dispondent and sounded like he had not much enthusiasm in the company. Scary as he is the training manager.
Its a pity as the aircraft they have are nice and if managed properly it could be a great company to work for. Especially with the financial backing they have.
After researching the company and management I later found out that this training manager and the MD both used to work for Execujet. I do wonder what the story is there.
Bet you can eat your words now WINDY (itswindyout)
I sent in a CV and spoke to the training manager. Just after speaking to the training manager, I decided not to pursue a career with them. He seemed very dispondent and sounded like he had not much enthusiasm in the company. Scary as he is the training manager.
Its a pity as the aircraft they have are nice and if managed properly it could be a great company to work for. Especially with the financial backing they have.
After researching the company and management I later found out that this training manager and the MD both used to work for Execujet. I do wonder what the story is there.
Bet you can eat your words now WINDY (itswindyout)
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OK then what else do you want to know? To be honest. its been such a long time since I have been on here that using my old username, it would not allow me to reply.
I feel there is so much moaning on here. But wanted to reply as have been there and done it and FLYVIP is not wrong. Maybe the truth hurts? You tell me?
I feel there is so much moaning on here. But wanted to reply as have been there and done it and FLYVIP is not wrong. Maybe the truth hurts? You tell me?
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Indeed they did both work for ejme and there is a story there which does not involve you or this forum-nothing dodgy i might just add.
There is no bad press out on the market about Nakeel aviation-they are expanding and they will get bigger-the only thing i would say is their pay package is not exactly at market rates for the rest of the world but is "reasonable" for out this part of the world.
"Its a pity as the aircraft they have are nice and if managed properly it could be a great company to work for. Especially with the financial backing they have. ''
This can be said for any Company out in the ME.
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There is no bad press out on the market about Nakeel aviation-they are expanding and they will get bigger-the only thing i would say is their pay package is not exactly at market rates for the rest of the world but is "reasonable" for out this part of the world.
"Its a pity as the aircraft they have are nice and if managed properly it could be a great company to work for. Especially with the financial backing they have. ''
This can be said for any Company out in the ME.
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Salaries
I think you are right there Chinny (regarding salaries) but I think a huge factor in salaries/contracts in Dubai is the continously rising cost of renting accommodation.(except Emirates for obvious reasons)
If I remember correctly Nakheel was offering AED120 000 (£16100.00) per year for housing allowance. If you have a family and require a 3 bedroom house, I challenge you to go look in the papers or the internet for suitable housing. I will be amazed if you find anything available. Unless you are willing to go live in Abu Dhabi or Sharjai. Not great for any "AD HOC" charters though.
I think that if they kept their allowance in proportion to the cost of renting then maybe there would be more crew keen to make the move to Dubai. I am sure unless this happens then anybody who has done abit of homework, will see that there are better places to go and that it is not worth the energy making the move to Dubai. Until that happens, I am staying away.
I know a crew member(corporate captain) who moved to Dubai to continue his career until he retired. At the moment he is dipping into his savings to make ends meet. His salary does not cover his overheads and I can assure you that he does not lead any extravagent lifestyle. He has a family of 4.
The rent is what is doing most of the damage.
Well I am sure there are more people, in Dubai, that fly in the corporate market and if they are honest they would agree on this.
Lets see?
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If I remember correctly Nakheel was offering AED120 000 (£16100.00) per year for housing allowance. If you have a family and require a 3 bedroom house, I challenge you to go look in the papers or the internet for suitable housing. I will be amazed if you find anything available. Unless you are willing to go live in Abu Dhabi or Sharjai. Not great for any "AD HOC" charters though.
I think that if they kept their allowance in proportion to the cost of renting then maybe there would be more crew keen to make the move to Dubai. I am sure unless this happens then anybody who has done abit of homework, will see that there are better places to go and that it is not worth the energy making the move to Dubai. Until that happens, I am staying away.
I know a crew member(corporate captain) who moved to Dubai to continue his career until he retired. At the moment he is dipping into his savings to make ends meet. His salary does not cover his overheads and I can assure you that he does not lead any extravagent lifestyle. He has a family of 4.
The rent is what is doing most of the damage.
Well I am sure there are more people, in Dubai, that fly in the corporate market and if they are honest they would agree on this.
Lets see?
AC
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One other thing regarding the ex member from EJME that I spoke with.
As a training manager, you would not expect him to be bad mouthing the company or crew that he works with. Very unprofessional?Especially to potentially new crew.
If the training manager feels like that then obviously there must be some sort of problem there. Who knows? Could be a touchy subject.
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As a training manager, you would not expect him to be bad mouthing the company or crew that he works with. Very unprofessional?
Especially to potentially new crew. If the training manager feels like that then obviously there must be some sort of problem there. Who knows? Could be a touchy subject.
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I would really like to know where you guys get your info from, have any of you spoken to anyone that works at Nakheel? If not, don't make comments on anthing that is not fact based!
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What the hell
Magic123,
Hear me now.
I do not write on here often, but let me tell you something, when I do, I only tell whats true.
Not only have I applied and spoken to the people concerned, I have info from the horses mouth. If you want to give it a go, then go ahead, but I can assure you that 2 months down the line you will regret it just like the others have.
Lets wait and see. I dare you
Hear me now.
I do not write on here often, but let me tell you something, when I do, I only tell whats true.
Not only have I applied and spoken to the people concerned, I have info from the horses mouth. If you want to give it a go, then go ahead, but I can assure you that 2 months down the line you will regret it just like the others have.
Lets wait and see. I dare you
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No need to get angry
Approachchecks,
I was not implying that you were lying, what I ment was, for example, "I spoke to a Captain at Nakheel, or I spoke to the Director of Operations" ect.
You can expect teething problems with any new company, seeing that the Aviation part of Nakheel only started up in 2006, any expanding company is not the easiest to manage, don't always blame management for personal problems. Management has to look after the company as well as their personnel, if the company does not make the grade, there will be no jobs, and no jobs mean no salaries.
If you want to fly for a proper salary, you must have the qualifications, the hours, ect, as well as the personality for the job. Why do you think any company has a interview process? You must also be willing to start at the bottom if it is req and work your way up.
Corporate flying is also very unpredictable, so if you want a stable job with a roster for the month, then join an airline. There are lots of airlines in the world that pay very well, more spesific the far east airlines.
Don't ever think that companies do not check out this website, bad mouthing companies can be very damaging to your flying carreer, aviation is a very small world.
Lastly, flying should first and foremost be fun, it's our passion. Companies and salaries should not be the first consideration when applying for jobs, but the fun behind what we will be flying, even if it is a Cessna 150.
The correct company and salary will come along sooner or later.
I was not implying that you were lying, what I ment was, for example, "I spoke to a Captain at Nakheel, or I spoke to the Director of Operations" ect.
You can expect teething problems with any new company, seeing that the Aviation part of Nakheel only started up in 2006, any expanding company is not the easiest to manage, don't always blame management for personal problems. Management has to look after the company as well as their personnel, if the company does not make the grade, there will be no jobs, and no jobs mean no salaries.
If you want to fly for a proper salary, you must have the qualifications, the hours, ect, as well as the personality for the job. Why do you think any company has a interview process? You must also be willing to start at the bottom if it is req and work your way up.
Corporate flying is also very unpredictable, so if you want a stable job with a roster for the month, then join an airline. There are lots of airlines in the world that pay very well, more spesific the far east airlines.
Don't ever think that companies do not check out this website, bad mouthing companies can be very damaging to your flying carreer, aviation is a very small world.
Lastly, flying should first and foremost be fun, it's our passion. Companies and salaries should not be the first consideration when applying for jobs, but the fun behind what we will be flying, even if it is a Cessna 150.
The correct company and salary will come along sooner or later.
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magic-not sure where you been hiding, but in this day and age there are very few of us left that enjoy flying and those that do soon get hacked off with the Companies out there.
yes one day that wonder job will come along but until then the majority of pilots-i would say-are in it for the quality of life and money ...then the job.that is certainly my experience and esp in the sand pits-here enthusiasm and initative are soon beaten out of you(regardles of what u think or how you work).that is what you get here.one or the other-not both....for the time being anyway.
Things will change and sooner rather than later-Nakheel will be part of that.
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yes one day that wonder job will come along but until then the majority of pilots-i would say-are in it for the quality of life and money ...then the job.that is certainly my experience and esp in the sand pits-here enthusiasm and initative are soon beaten out of you(regardles of what u think or how you work).that is what you get here.one or the other-not both....for the time being anyway.
Things will change and sooner rather than later-Nakheel will be part of that.
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Why am I not surprised.
Well for those replying to these threads and saying Nakheel is not bad and asking where people get there information from, I have been informed that the MD resigned.
About time.
So now surely this must say something? For those of you saying its not bad, well I guess you were wrong.
We did some research and also found out this MD is partnership in another business.... aircraft sales so I wonder which company some of their aircraft was bought through??? Makes you think doesn't it.
About time.So now surely this must say something? For those of you saying its not bad, well I guess you were wrong.
We did some research and also found out this MD is partnership in another business.... aircraft sales so I wonder which company some of their aircraft was bought through??? Makes you think doesn't it.
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Lastly, flying should first and foremost be fun, it's our passion. Companies and salaries should not be the first consideration when applying for jobs, but the fun behind what we will be flying, even if it is a Cessna 150.
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worldtraveler....the bit about companies checking these forums and it affecting people futures is particularly good.
I've always believed that if you're accepting a paycheck from an employer, good or bad, you should keep your whinging "in school" until you leave. After that, anything's fair game.
If a company dismissed a current employee found bad-mouthing the company to the public that's understandable.
A company concerned about outsiders who are doing it is pathetic.
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Nakheel Aviaton
Nakheel advertised for pilots recently. Has anyone had the courtesy of a reply? I applied, met all their requirements, and even had a valid and current UAE ATPL, endorsed with one of their types, but still no reply.
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No reply either, I am current on two of the types they operate and could have been avaiable 1st September, but not even a reply to say they received the application !! Maybe there are so many type rated and current GLEX pilots around they don't need us !