Netjets Europe (Mis)Management. Again.
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Netjets Europe (Mis)Management. Again.
They just cannot help themselves down in Lisbon, can they?
Amidst all the promises of how the 'new' (same all but for one person) management team will be making life better for everyone they just cannot resist slipping into their old habits.
A well respected (by his pilots) fleet manager resigned after several years with the company. Management responded by firing his son who was working in the Operations Department
This is also the same management who are doing private deals with Line Training Captains in a bid to stop them resigning at a time when line captains are refusing to accept 'promotion' to training and standards slots.
Good for the LTC's concerned as they are now being paid nearer the industry standard for such work yet for some reason Netjets management deny such deals exist. Well, the director of operations says he doesn't know of such deals which suggests either he is being kept in the dark by his subordinates, has a terrible memory or is (surely not) being economical with the truth.
With this sort of leadership is it any wonder the company lurches from crisis to crisis on a daily basis and the handling agents refer to them as 'Tippex Airlines'?
Still thinking of applying folks?
Amidst all the promises of how the 'new' (same all but for one person) management team will be making life better for everyone they just cannot resist slipping into their old habits.
A well respected (by his pilots) fleet manager resigned after several years with the company. Management responded by firing his son who was working in the Operations Department
This is also the same management who are doing private deals with Line Training Captains in a bid to stop them resigning at a time when line captains are refusing to accept 'promotion' to training and standards slots.
Good for the LTC's concerned as they are now being paid nearer the industry standard for such work yet for some reason Netjets management deny such deals exist. Well, the director of operations says he doesn't know of such deals which suggests either he is being kept in the dark by his subordinates, has a terrible memory or is (surely not) being economical with the truth.
With this sort of leadership is it any wonder the company lurches from crisis to crisis on a daily basis and the handling agents refer to them as 'Tippex Airlines'?
Still thinking of applying folks?
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Truth hurts huh?
Interesting that you consider it "drivel" when a company treats employees this way. Care to enlighten us as to why that should be?
If such matters irritate you so much it's simple,don't read the topics. In the meantime I shall, when it suits me, continue to inform the world at large of the comedy of errors that is NJE. If it saves just one poor sod going in there blindfolded it will be worth it. You never know, it might be you.
Interesting that you consider it "drivel" when a company treats employees this way. Care to enlighten us as to why that should be?
If such matters irritate you so much it's simple,don't read the topics. In the meantime I shall, when it suits me, continue to inform the world at large of the comedy of errors that is NJE. If it saves just one poor sod going in there blindfolded it will be worth it. You never know, it might be you.
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handling agents refer to them as 'Tippex Airlines'?
Sometimes, NJE seem to be ever so slightly disorganised! Ferry an aircraft in, then ferry it out again. Three people phoning about exactly the same issue simultaneously. Deicing requests when temperature is in positive double figures. How boring working life would be without them to give us something to talk about!
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Sad sad sad sad posts by a man who started posting 147 times (!!) negatively about NetJets since the day a certain Director of Operations was asked to leave... Go figure Get a life and try to be more constructive!
Things have changed for the better dramatically since you left and if you know a Biz aviation company that is: healthy, growing, improved their deal for their pilots dramatically, has a great 6/5 schedule with no call outs on days off, with gateways in every corner of Europe I would like to know.
Can you please let the people who work there tell what it is really like instead of your "I hate the company when I was there years ago and I will keep telling about it for the next century as I am a sad old git"
Get a life and try to be more constructive!Things have changed for the better dramatically since you left and if you know a Biz aviation company that is: healthy, growing, improved their deal for their pilots dramatically, has a great 6/5 schedule with no call outs on days off, with gateways in every corner of Europe I would like to know.
Can you please let the people who work there tell what it is really like instead of your "I hate the company when I was there years ago and I will keep telling about it for the next century as I am a sad old git"
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Yayyyyy!!! Trainer's back!! Been missing you and your rose tinted specs.
Still guessing though I see. Maybe if you did some homework you would note that I was posting long before CM left. Then again accuracy never was one of your strong points, was it? Just spout the company line regardless. Good old Trainer, if nothing else you are consistent.
Anything for you my old friend. Where shall we start?
1.Would it be with the new, imposed, no-negotiation-or-discussion tax and social contribution deal that was invented by management? As usual the company simply imposes whatever is best for them and the employees can go hang themselves. Shall we ask the French and Scandinavian based crew which way their tax bill went?
2.How about the aforementioned firing of the fleet manager's son? The FM had been in the company a good number of years and was popular with his crew (which was probably why upper management disliked him) so as a reward when he resigned they immediately fired his son who was working in the office. Tell me trainer how does that fit in with.........
.... doesn't sound like healthy management to me. More like petty despots throwing their weight around but hey, if that's a system you like you stick with it.
3.Did you hear what happened when the company tried to upgrade some of the pilots to replace the training and standards captains who resigned? Some of them refused. How dare they?! Who are they to ignore the 10% pay bonus for the privilege of being an NJE training captain?
4.Or maybe they know something you don't tt2? Maybe they know all about the special deals management have done with some training captains to keep them. Something like a 50% pay rise plus increased pension contributions and health insurance wasn't it? Of course management deny this when asked but too many people know it to be true and management's history on telling the truth is hardly great, is it?
5.Any news on the company stooge? You know, the one management used to infiltrate the union committee? That raises at least two questions of course. The first, if things are SO great why on earth would anyone feel they need a union? The second, why were the company SO worried at the prospect of a union that they employed a spy and union-busting tactics?
6.Resignations. Approximately 12 since the end of March (crew) not to mention those from the office. Some people have lasted less than a week before walking out in disgust.
7.Noticed how many NJE aircraft spend days parked up at various airports? Couldn't be for lack of crew could it? Surely not!
Behind the scenes it's the same ****fight it always was and this summer will bring it to the surface. Shame some really good people are going to have to hold it together because of the idiots that can't do their jobs properly.
Now,trainer. Instead of responding with your usual 'I know who you are and you're just bitter and twisted and telling lies' how about this time you respond to my points in turn with some facts? I know we tried that before and you ran away but this time I've made it really easy for you by numbering the subjects.
Let's hear it.
Still guessing though I see. Maybe if you did some homework you would note that I was posting long before CM left. Then again accuracy never was one of your strong points, was it? Just spout the company line regardless. Good old Trainer, if nothing else you are consistent.
Originally Posted by trainer too 2
Can you please let the people who work there tell what it is really like...
1.Would it be with the new, imposed, no-negotiation-or-discussion tax and social contribution deal that was invented by management? As usual the company simply imposes whatever is best for them and the employees can go hang themselves. Shall we ask the French and Scandinavian based crew which way their tax bill went?
2.How about the aforementioned firing of the fleet manager's son? The FM had been in the company a good number of years and was popular with his crew (which was probably why upper management disliked him) so as a reward when he resigned they immediately fired his son who was working in the office. Tell me trainer how does that fit in with.........
Originally Posted by trainer too 2
Things have changed for the better dramatically since you left and if you know a Biz aviation company that is: healthy....
3.Did you hear what happened when the company tried to upgrade some of the pilots to replace the training and standards captains who resigned? Some of them refused. How dare they?! Who are they to ignore the 10% pay bonus for the privilege of being an NJE training captain?
4.Or maybe they know something you don't tt2? Maybe they know all about the special deals management have done with some training captains to keep them. Something like a 50% pay rise plus increased pension contributions and health insurance wasn't it? Of course management deny this when asked but too many people know it to be true and management's history on telling the truth is hardly great, is it?
5.Any news on the company stooge? You know, the one management used to infiltrate the union committee? That raises at least two questions of course. The first, if things are SO great why on earth would anyone feel they need a union? The second, why were the company SO worried at the prospect of a union that they employed a spy and union-busting tactics?
6.Resignations. Approximately 12 since the end of March (crew) not to mention those from the office. Some people have lasted less than a week before walking out in disgust.
7.Noticed how many NJE aircraft spend days parked up at various airports? Couldn't be for lack of crew could it? Surely not!
Behind the scenes it's the same ****fight it always was and this summer will bring it to the surface. Shame some really good people are going to have to hold it together because of the idiots that can't do their jobs properly.
Now,trainer. Instead of responding with your usual 'I know who you are and you're just bitter and twisted and telling lies' how about this time you respond to my points in turn with some facts? I know we tried that before and you ran away but this time I've made it really easy for you by numbering the subjects.
Let's hear it.
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Smeagle,
you have, as always, spouted off in your own charming way, but you dont appear to have answered cjboy's question.
you have, as always, spouted off in your own charming way, but you dont appear to have answered cjboy's question.
How remiss of me.
NewKid. Wouldn't that be an amazing coincidence? The company decide Jr is incompetent at exactly the same time Sr resigns? Out of interest who told you this? I'm surprised a manager came anywhere near you all. On GRT's these days often the crew are left in a room, scratching their arse while the various management types who are supposed to come and give their annual pep talks do far more important things like play with their blackberries upstairs.
If we're considering poor performance let's also ask management about all the other poor souls in Lisbon who keep getting strung out on probationary contracts? Just as their probationary period is about to expire, ooops it gets extended.
Now I know some people might require this once in a while but maybe if the company occasionally indulged in something called 'training' then those in Ops, Planning, Catering etc might have the faintest idea of what was expected of them instead of being left to sink or swim.
Mighty convenient that people keep having extended probationary periods, fewer employee rights to confuse the issue.
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Former Flake, I heard on my indoc that the son was not very good and was fired because of this. You work in the office, what is the word on the street?
It is not for me to comment on the standard of an individuals work, especially as I did not work directly or indirectly with him. But let us be realistic for a minute. He is a young lad (under 20 I believe) who was given no training, virtually no supervision and was never told formally either in writing or verbally that he was not up to standard. Yet he was working in a challenging and ever expanding company that tries to offer the best service to it's owners. Even if his standards were low he should have got, at worst, a formal warning and given time to improve. He had a couple of months left on his contract so it would have been easy to say to him "get your act together or you will not get your contact renewed". The company would have lost nothing as they are legally obliged to pay his wages until the contract expires.
Whether he was good at his job or not, I don't think he was treated fairly. You can all make up your own minds.
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Your spies are wrong
Smeagel,
Looks like your spies have got the wrong info - yes DT son was fired but nobody can say it was not coming. What do you expect from a person who managed to flunk out of a private school which is virtually impossible to do and then get a job at Daddy's work place? Then you get kicked out of fthe floor where Dad no longer has any clout (no longer a FM) and get stuck with a job which all you have to do is file paper. But then you decided that you would prefer to listen to your ipod the whole day and oblige the manager to hire somebody else to do the job you are supposed to be doing (and it only takes one person to do it)? Talk about taking the piss - it is amazing he lasted so long!
So Smeagel before you talk about something check your other spies before putting you foot in it - again!
Looks like your spies have got the wrong info - yes DT son was fired but nobody can say it was not coming. What do you expect from a person who managed to flunk out of a private school which is virtually impossible to do and then get a job at Daddy's work place? Then you get kicked out of fthe floor where Dad no longer has any clout (no longer a FM) and get stuck with a job which all you have to do is file paper. But then you decided that you would prefer to listen to your ipod the whole day and oblige the manager to hire somebody else to do the job you are supposed to be doing (and it only takes one person to do it)? Talk about taking the piss - it is amazing he lasted so long!
So Smeagel before you talk about something check your other spies before putting you foot in it - again!
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Originally Posted by Former Flake
Whether he was good at his job or not, I don't think he was treated fairly.
This would imply that he was fired. I was told that he was.
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I am intrigued as to how you know about the special deals offered to line trainers. Did the management try to keep the deals secret? It would be very naive of them to think that it could be kept secret. If they needed more line trainers then it would be better to advertise it.
I am intrigued as to how you know about the special deals offered to line trainers. Did the management try to keep the deals secret? It would be very naive of them to think that it could be kept secret. If they needed more line trainers then it would be better to advertise it.
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I am afraid, smeagel is right. I understand it is hard for the wannabee and other NJE fans still in the honey moon. Wait a year or two, and you will post the same way as smeagel...for sure. Quote me 2 names of guys in the company for more than 4years still very enthusastic...hard, isn't it?
The potential is there. That is why we are staying, at least myself. However the management is really bad. The problem is that we do not choose our managers. The managers are only the ones who accept to live in Lisbon. And most of the guys join because they want to live where they like!
The potential is there. That is why we are staying, at least myself. However the management is really bad. The problem is that we do not choose our managers. The managers are only the ones who accept to live in Lisbon. And most of the guys join because they want to live where they like!
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Originally Posted by CREAMER
I am intrigued as to how you know about the special deals offered to line trainers. Did the management try to keep the deals secret? It would be very naive of them to think that it could be kept secret. If they needed more line trainers then it would be better to advertise it.
It might make sense to publicise the deals and encourage others to take up the positions however in these cases the pay and T&C's agreed are way, way above the normal 10% extra paid to LTC's. More like 50%.
Two LTC's were threatening to leave the same fleet which would have been disastrous. Despite what they say in public some NJE managers are admitting in private that they can barely recruit sufficient crew to replace those resigning let alone cater for expansion. Take both these factors into account and you can see how these pilots were able to broker their own lucrative deals.
Some of those denying it are obviously NJE management or their allies who don't want everyone asking for the same thing. Others don't want to believe it either because they don't have the deal themselves or have yet to hear it from enough sources.
Let's be honest nobody even remotely in favour of NJE wants to believe me, I'm always the bearer of bad news but in all modesty how often have I been wrong? I get accused of being bitter and twisted but does anyone ever counter my points with facts? No, they drift off when the arguments become too specific.
It is also significant that several of the usual pro-NJE people no longer leap to their defense in these threads. Something trainer too 2 and his oppos may want to consider. Perhaps, just perhaps, they now see their management for what they are.