Navajo/Chieftan multi-pilot AOC?

[dllcooper]

Does anybody have or know of an operator who uses the Navajo or chieftan? I would like to enquire about possibly joining an aircraft onto an AOC with multi-pilot operation. I need to build my hours before being able to captain the aircraft. When we are not using the aircraft we wold like to charter it, with myself and a GA captain.

Additional comments - does anybody know how much a salary would be for a multi-engine captain with necessary experience, approx? Finally, if anybody has Navajo running costings spreasheet or similar i would really appreciate it.

Kind regards - David

[J32/41]

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[Daifly]

David - this is the same question you keep asking, just with a different aircraft type again. In all of the previous posts people have been actively encouraging you to approach current operators to join their fleet rather than launch into the costly, and uneconomic, process of getting your own AOC for one aircraft - operators will be the best source of information on operating these aircraft rather than all of the opinions offered on here (which whilst always useful will also contradict one other).

All of your questions have been answered before, the salary of a Navajo Captain is the same as a 421 Captain. The operating costs will be similar for the 421 and the Chieftain; the Navajo less because of the non-pressurised hull.

There is a Navajo operator at Welshpool, a place you've mentioned before as being a possible base, why not approach them - they never have availability when I want it and so, I presume, would be interested in another aircraft to supplement their fleet. If you can't even do that part of the leg work yourself you're not really doing yourself any favours...

I know Centreline have offered you advice as well as other operators via both public posting and PM's - I'm really not sure what you've got to lose by taking it - other than to keep your name known on here as someone who won't take any offered advice. Which isn't the best way to start your career as a pilot!

The thing you need to bear in mind is this: If you approach an operator for advice, which will likely cost you nothing to begin with, then they will provide you with the answers to all of the questions you have and all of the information you need; if you just persist in asking the same questions on here time and time again you're going to get no replies at all to any of your questions, regardless of the aircraft type you're looking at this week.

I hope you take this constructively, but when operators are actively talking amongst themselves about "the guy who keeps asking all those questions about operating one Golden Eagle" I'm offering you some advice before your reputation preceeds you.

[trainer too 2]

I saw the thread header and the person who started it and thought "how ignorant can somebody be to get back on the same thing time after time.... he does not even has his CPL yet" fortunately Daifly wrote down exactly what I should have written in more friendly terms.

David: get a life, get a CPL, get your head out of the classified section of Pilot Magazine and thank the lord for all the free advise that have been given to you. Now use it!! The money and time you will waste just on sourcing a suitable aircraft will be best used to get your licences and even buy a rating with 500 hours on it. At least then you know how much you will spend beforehand!

[J32/41]

I just thought I would add another small bit of advice, I agree with the 2 posts below my original post, you should do what I did, get yourself off to the states and get your JAA CPL, come back to the UK and try and get a job with one the PA-31 etc operators or small airlines even if it's part time atleast it will build your hours and experience.

Even think about doing your instructor rating which is another way of hour building.

[dllcooper]

One thing i have learnt where aviation legislation and options are concerned is, never to assume anything. Please dont assume i have been sitting on my arse doing nothing and ignoring the advice that has been put my way. I have a definate aircraft type now, the choice of which has been decided from discussion with a local operator in Bournemouth, through Pprune. Unfortunately, the local operator i have been liasing with, doesnt operate Navajos or chieftans, let alone on a multi-pilot operation.

All of the advice that has been offered to me from those all those concerned is hugely appreciated, it has all been digested and i have spoken to alot of people from messages etc..

I have family and commitments, unless i can get this project off the ground for the end of my training then i wont go ahead. I am not having the p*** taken by instructing for £10/hour or dipping hands into my pockets even deeper for a further type rating.

Daifly, if my post annoys you then i'm sorry, may i suggest that you ignore them in the future. Thankyou J32, i will follow up on those contacts.

Again, if anybody has a Navajo fixed/variable cost spreadheet or similar it would be superb. I already have a number for other types, which have consequently discounted a number of aircraft, kindly offered by Richard breese and others.

Much appreciated as always

[J32/41]

Originally Posted by dllcooper

I am not having the p*** taken by instructing for £10/hour or dipping hands into my pockets even deeper for a further type rating.

To be honest instucting is not that bad, I did it part time earning £20 per hour with lots of flying during the summer months.
The extra cash was handy but the hours were the most important thing, you have to build experience somewhere.