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DogTailRed2 6th Feb 2024 13:21

Lanc on one engine - could it fly?
 
The usual argument ensued on facebook with this image.
https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...mQ&oe=65C74709
So could an empty Lanc fly on one engine and maintain level flight?

ex82watcher 6th Feb 2024 13:26

I have no idea,but perhaps that one is about to crash ?:ugh:

BEagle 6th Feb 2024 14:55

Probably an air display special? Dive to around 360KIAS, level off and feather 3 engines. Then fly past hoping like heck that they'll unfeather after the fly past!

One of my VC10 simulator instructors had flown the deH Hornet (lucky blighter!). He told me that a Hornet pilot had once spotted a formation of Sabres well below him, so he dived on them, shut down one engine and went through their formation on one, rolling as he went..... The Sabre chaps had neither seen nor heard about the Hornet and were totally astonished!

sycamore 6th Feb 2024 15:35

I`m sure I`ve seen a pic.`somewhere` of a formation of 3 RN Hornets looping with `Lead` having both feathered,and #2 and #3 with one each feathered....
As Beags notes,plenty of speed downhill,quick `feather`,flypast,and a rapid ` 3,4, 1,before you run out of airspeed,...and ideas...
Also, the Bell P-59 Airacomet CTP,Jack Woollams would occasionally creep up,wearing a gorilla mask,bowler hat and cigar, alongside piston engined fighters,wave and then accelerate away......leaving a smoky trail..

chevvron 6th Feb 2024 16:02

I think you'll find that was a Lanc testbed demonstrating a Griffon engine for a flying display; look at the aircraft behind it, they are different types.

Expatrick 6th Feb 2024 16:07

Maybe low fuel, no payload, just 2 crew, etc - it might be feasible?

gravedigger666 6th Feb 2024 17:31

Its predecessor was pretty crap on two engines! I did read somewhere years ago that the Lanc will get you home on two, but on one its a slow decent.

Jhieminga 6th Feb 2024 17:43

There are similar photos of a Lincoln doing this for a quick pass. I would say: just a display act that started with a dive and ended with a quick restart and a Hail Mary.

Haraka 6th Feb 2024 18:20

A Lanc. went round at a display at St.Eval c.1951 cutting an engine on each circuit.
Including the 4th!
Aicraft dived over the cliff eventually spluttering back to life over the sea and landing back :)

Clyffe Pypard 6th Feb 2024 18:27

Regular occurrence on our 214 Lincolns
 
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f8da58cad.jpeg

nonsense 6th Feb 2024 18:37


Originally Posted by DogTailRed2 (Post 11591458)
The usual argument ensued on facebook with this image.
https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...mQ&oe=65C74709
So could an empty Lanc fly on one engine and maintain level flight?

You appear to have linked to an image on facebook, which has timed out to prevent it being used on external sites like PPRUNE.

Is this the image?

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7d1ffdfae8.jpg
Source:
And since we seem to be suffering the disappearing link bug again, here too:
twitter.com/clark_aviation/status/1205836829032890369

rolling20 6th Feb 2024 21:43

Haven't got it to hand, but I'm sure in 'Enemy Coast Ahead', Guy Gibson was taken on his first flight in a Lanc, by Hoppy Hopgood.
I think he demonstrated it with one engine operative, 'losing height, but enough to get you away from the enemy coast'.
Later, he took the Secretary of State for Air ( IIRC) and demonstrated the Lanc on two engines and then the flight engineer, rather than unfeathering them, feathered /shut down the two live engines!

AvroLincoln 6th Feb 2024 23:13

Why then did a Lincoln with , I believe, just one engine failing, just clear the roof of our married quarter at Waddington and plonk down on the rubbish dump next to the village quarry, around 1952? I was watching in amazement and disbelief, aged 9.

DaveReidUK 7th Feb 2024 06:28


Originally Posted by AvroLincoln (Post 11591843)
Why then did a Lincoln with , I believe, just one engine failing, just clear the roof of our married quarter at Waddington and plonk down on the rubbish dump next to the village quarry, around 1952? I was watching in amazement and disbelief, aged 9.

Just a question of energy.

Haraka 7th Feb 2024 08:56

Converting momentum in to an apparent single engine climb was an old Farnborough SBAC show trick. e.g. Percival Prince.

treadigraph 7th Feb 2024 09:57


Originally Posted by AvroLincoln (Post 11591843)
Why then did a Lincoln with , I believe, just one engine failing, just clear the roof of our married quarter at Waddington and plonk down on the rubbish dump next to the village quarry, around 1952? I was watching in amazement and disbelief, aged 9.

This one:

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/248992

DH106 7th Feb 2024 13:15


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11592104)

I love the phrase "nearly missing" from the Aviation Safety Net page linked above:-

"On touch down, the Avro Lincoln developed an uncontrollable swing and crashed off the edge of the airfield, nearly missing an estate of some newly built NCO married quarters and slewed around ending up on a rubbish dump"

Presumably "narrowly missing" or "nearly hitting" perhaps? :)

safetypee 7th Feb 2024 14:00

Lincoln with all 4 feathered at Farnborough airshow mid 50s
Flew past on the single RR Dart test engine in the nose.

Allan Lupton 7th Feb 2024 14:02


Originally Posted by DH106 (Post 11592260)
I love the phrase "nearly missing" from the Aviation Safety Net page linked above:-
Presumably "narrowly missing" or "nearly hitting" perhaps? :)

Probably a back-formation from the well-known phenomenon "a near miss" - we know that means "narrowly missing," but it could/should mean "hit it, but nearly didn't"


chevvron 7th Feb 2024 14:23


Originally Posted by Haraka (Post 11592057)
Converting momentum in to an apparent single engine climb was an old Farnborough SBAC show trick. e.g. Percival Prince.

The Airspeed Ambassador testbed with Napier Eland engines did its entire display on one engine.


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