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EbonyGrove 16th Sep 2022 20:36

Be interesting to see their risk assessment (if it exists) on doing a fast taxi towards a main road and a pole which says "Gas Main" on it, with a non-airworthy aircraft. What could possibly go wrong?

While the Vulcan may not be air-worthy or covered by any CAA regs, the aerodrome itself is and is licenced and thus must ensure that all activities on the licenced area, whether air-worthy or not, are safe and reduce the risk to members of the public to ALARP.

sycamore 16th Sep 2022 20:50

Basic maths-Equations of Motion(s,u,v,a,t) should have been used in pre-planning,instead of reliance on the ASI.Most mobile phones will give a good Groundspeed read-out,and a stopwatch for timing,Markers along the edge of the runway for distance to `stop`...Going for a practice `blast`,after low speed steering and braking check seems a little `enthusiastic`....

Jhieminga 16th Sep 2022 21:07

The BBC has a couple of photos: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-62930756
The gear doesn't appear to have suffered a lot, but that's speculation of course.

DaveReidUK 16th Sep 2022 21:23


Originally Posted by Sleeve Wing (Post 11297664)
One of those "Oh sh*t" moments. Not giving up without a fight, is it ?
The thought did occur that maybe the airfield owners had tampered with the brakes or chute !!?
Another excuse to close such "a dangerous airfield" ...........

Let's hope they - or their lawyers - don't read PPRuNe.

Two's in 16th Sep 2022 21:26


Originally Posted by Yellow Sun (Post 11297696)
The Health and Safety Executive (HSE), the CAA have no jurisdiction or interest and the AAIB would probably decline to offer any input, even on a consultancy basis. Whether any investigation could lead to a prosecution is anyone's guess, it gets a bit complicated when both volunteers and employees are involved.

YS

I can't help thinking that throwing 170,000lbs of 4-engine Bomber down a runway at a CAA licensed aerodrome, ultimately resulting in a near miss with a public highway is going to make somebody curious from a regulatory and safety viewpoint. "The ASI wasn't working for 2 seconds" does not suggest an obvious multi-layered approach to risk assessment.

Runaway Gun 16th Sep 2022 21:43

Unlike the Falklands…
 
They saved flying 7,999 miles to almost miss the runway.

jumpseater 16th Sep 2022 22:27


Originally Posted by Two's in (Post 11297747)
I can't help thinking that throwing 170,000lbs of 4-engine Bomber down a runway at a CAA licensed aerodrome, ultimately resulting in a near miss with a public highway is going to make somebody curious from a regulatory and safety viewpoint. "The ASI wasn't working for 2 seconds" does not suggest an obvious multi-layered approach to risk assessment.

A quick look at CAP168 indicates these sections are likely to be of interest.
Ch2 App 2E
Ch3 App 3I
Ch9
The fact it wasn’t ‘airworthy’ will mitigate some issues, obviously at an unlicensed aerodrome or non aviation site it’d purely be an HSE issue incident. The fact Wellesborne is licensed will probably attract aviation regulatory interest, and perhaps consideration of appropriate RFFS category. It’s currently A1 + A2 on request, that’s assuming there’s no additional cover deployed when these tests/demonstrations take place.

common toad 17th Sep 2022 06:25

If only there was a second ASI in the cockpit…

Krystal n chips 17th Sep 2022 08:46

This has obviously attracted a lot of attention elsewhere ...some reports saying this was going to be the last fast taxy run for example, others saying the last one was five years ago, so presumably they've been doing regular anti-det runs in the interim...along with speculation this will be the end of such runs and a significant hike in insurance for types that can still be ground run.

There again, the Vulcan has always had an all terrain capability....three managed to land on Halton's grass runway after all.

Possibly it got a bit fed up looking at the same view day after day and decided it wanted a look down Tiddington Road....which is one of the more expensive in the UK.

45989 17th Sep 2022 08:46

There will always be a gob****e with a yellow jacket nearby....

brakedwell 17th Sep 2022 09:55

Was the man in the left hand seat an ex Vulcan pilot?

Diff Tail Shim 17th Sep 2022 10:01


Originally Posted by Krystal n chips (Post 11297884)
This has obviously attracted a lot of attention elsewhere ...some reports saying this was going to be the last fast taxy run for example, others saying the last one was five years ago, so presumably they've been doing regular anti-det runs in the interim...along with speculation this will be the end of such runs and a significant hike in insurance for types that can still be ground run.

There again, the Vulcan has always had an all terrain capability....three managed to land on Halton's grass runway after all.

Possibly it got a bit fed up looking at the same view day after day and decided it wanted a look down Tiddington Road....which is one of the more expensive in the UK.

​​​​​​The TBAG Buccaneers and the BCWM Jaguar always use first reference for speed from a GPS Speedo on a mobile phone. They also have worked out from the ODM the info for conditions of the day and time /distance. ASI can be another instrument used, it is never the primary (as not accurate at low speeds) and never alone in the two organisations mentioned. My comments about this on their FB group are not complimentary. Seems they have always allowed ego to overtake common sense in previous runs where they end up just short of the end of the runway.. They too a risk too far and are lucky that their airframe still has legs on it. Just been chatting to another CWJ fast taxi driver and he is nothing but damming about the professionalism shown yesterday.

Busta 17th Sep 2022 10:46

A hand held satnav might have been useful

chevvron 17th Sep 2022 10:57


Originally Posted by Jhieminga (Post 11297605)
Judging from the images, the Wellesbourne Vulcan tried to get away but was reined in before it jumped the boundary fence. I hope everyone is safe and sound. I'm sure the airframe will find its way back onto terra firma soon.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7aa0c47444.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....dd5bbdfd01.jpg
Images courtesy of cg_341 at this UKAR thread.

Wellesborne is a FISO unit; they can't clear it for a high speed taxy.

dixi188 17th Sep 2022 11:15

What sort of anti-skid system does the Vulcan have?
If it is MaxArret type, I would have expected to see some rubber on the runway as the brakes locked and then released, assuming someone had there toes firmly on the pedals.

45989 17th Sep 2022 12:24


Originally Posted by EbonyGrove (Post 11297731)
Be interesting to see their risk assessment (if it exists) on doing a fast taxi towards a main road and a pole which says "Gas Main" on it, with a non-airworthy aircraft. What could possibly go wrong?

While the Vulcan may not be air-worthy or covered by any CAA regs, the aerodrome itself is and is licenced and thus must ensure that all activities on the licenced area, whether air-worthy or not, are safe and reduce the risk to members of the public to ALARP.

Amazing to see the boring "health and safties" wade in as usual. GET A LIFE!!

Martin the Martian 17th Sep 2022 12:29

And with one mighty bound, he was -oh bugger.

CAEBr 17th Sep 2022 12:57


Amazing to see the boring "health and safties" wade in as usual. GET A LIFE!!
Fair enough if they were playing with their own toys in private. However, this came very close to being an event where it went through the hedge and hit passing traffic, at which point we would be into a Shoreham Pt 2. If that were to occur then just as we have seen airshows and historic jet operations hughly affected then similar taxi runs would be closely controlled or scrapped even if they were sensibly undertaken.
These type of operations have been under the radar for a while (perhaps excepting the Bruntingthorpe Victor) They will only remain so if they are performed sensibly and H and S professionals aren't given a reason to investigate.

spekesoftly 17th Sep 2022 14:09

Any news on how the recovery operation is progressing?








Two's in 17th Sep 2022 14:25


Originally Posted by CAEBr (Post 11297965)
Fair enough if they were playing with their own toys in private. However, this came very close to being an event where it went through the hedge and hit passing traffic, at which point we would be into a Shoreham Pt 2. If that were to occur then just as we have seen airshows and historic jet operations hughly affected then similar taxi runs would be closely controlled or scrapped even if they were sensibly undertaken.
These type of operations have been under the radar for a while (perhaps excepting the Bruntingthorpe Victor) They will only remain so if they are performed sensibly and H and S professionals aren't given a reason to investigate.

Exactly this! Nothing to do with Health and Safety zealousness, everything to do with ensuring you have a comprehensive and complete safety and risk assessment for an aviation event involving the general public. I'm sure all the Hi-Viz yellow jacket jokes are just as hilarious to the families of the 11 deceased at Shoreham as they are here.


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