Just watched a Sea Vixen dump a load of stuff in the sea
Admittedly, years ago. Just wonder how often this went on in the past and what a waist and when did it end? I'm no echo warrior but there must be so much s£it down there?
vid around 1:16 and the "cradle" goes to the depths " |
Quite simple the strop was stressed to such an extent during launch that
it was cheaper to manufacture a new one than to recover test and ship back onto the carrier. cliver029 |
Saturday evenings in the late '50s or early '60s there was a live TV show ('Saturday Night Live' or something) fronted by Raymond Baxter which tried to do something spectacular each time; one time it was a locomotive crash at Longmoor military railway and another was live shots of an aircraft carrier.
I remember Baxter saying that when catapulted away, the strop was left to simply fall off imto the water and that each strop cost £7-0s-0d (pre 1971 money if you don't know) |
Not quite the same type of "stuff" but I remember the Sea Vixen, when it was in Red Bull's hands, mistakenly dropping a mechanics toolkit from the weapons bay on a slow flypast at a Coventry airshow. I bet words were exchanged later..
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No weapons bay in a Sea Vixen!!!!!
All weapons were carried on the pylons. |
The strop was certainly strong enough to carry a piano across Kowloon Harbour.
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Originally Posted by Coltishall. loved it
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Admittedly, years ago. Just wonder how often this went on in the past and what a waist and when did it end? I'm no echo warrior but there must be so much s£it down there?
vid around 1:16 and the "cradle" goes to the depths "The Sea Vixen - YouTube Seriously, all steam catapults in the RN (until Ark Royal) launched fixed wing with Bridles, which went into the 'oggin: not just the Vixen. Ark was fitted with bridle catchers allowing their re-use up to (IIRC) 20 or 30 times, when they were then untethered and allowed to go off the launch. The USN developed a replacement whereby the shuttle latches on to the NLG and pulls the aircraft down the cat without a bridle. As mentioned, the Vixen didn't have a 'weapons bay' :hmm: := This photo shows the bridle catcher ropes : https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c23e7add39.jpg And here's the bridle being arrested by the catcher as the F4K launches from Ark waist cat https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b408bfb713.jpg |
OK so no weapons bay so where could the toolkit have been stored that could be opened in flight? Just asking because it did happen.
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Originally Posted by VictorGolf
(Post 11105145)
OK so no weapons bay so where could the toolkit have been stored that could be opened in flight? Just asking because it did happen.
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On that particular aircraft the tool kit would have been behind the radome along with the folding ladder. That is where I always kept it No radar was fitted, just 1800Lbs of ballast.
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver
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The strop was certainly strong enough to carry a piano across Kowloon Harbour.
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One day when all the seas are dry or we can travel across the oceans on the seabed, people will come across an old white Jaguar XJS in the middle of the Bay of Biscay and think, "How the hell did that get there?"
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Originally Posted by Compass Call
(Post 11105151)
On that particular aircraft the tool kit would have been behind the radome along with the folding ladder. That is where I always kept it No radar was fitted, just 1800Lbs of ballast.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f6be43f12c.jpg |
Re. the Pete and Dud's bit above, Ark Royal did a Grand Piano Launch in November 1978 as seen here.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6c14f12b64.png |
I believe on some ships the bridles were recovered up to a set number of launches, then jettisoned with a final launch without the recovery strop.
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DaveReidUK
That is the hatch where the undercarriage locks and hook lock were stored.. Possibly if this was not correctly secured they could have made a bid for freedom. :ok: Lucky that none went down the engine!! |
Originally Posted by Compass Call
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Lucky that none went down the engine!!
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Ok, let me re phrase my question: over how many years have these things been dumped into the oggin and by what air arms?
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It would be naïve in the extreme to think that cat-strops (or indeed musical instruments) are the most polluting/expensive/wasteful things to be casually discarded at sea by the world's navies.
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Originally Posted by Coltishall. loved it
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Ok, let me re phrase my question: over how many years have these things been dumped into the oggin and by what air arms?
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I remember the Coventry incident well!. Unusual to see bits falling off/out. Wasn't quite sure what was happening. The aircraft was not allowed to fly in the show the next day if I recall. Sad fatal crash of the Ryan Monoplane the next day, or was that a different show.? Remember seeing both incidents.
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Originally Posted by JEM60
(Post 11105513)
I remember the Coventry incident well!. Unusual to see bits falling off/out. Wasn't quite sure what was happening. The aircraft was not allowed to fly in the show the next day if I recall. Sad fatal crash of the Ryan Monoplane the next day, or was that a different show.? Remember seeing both incidents.
The Ryan accident was on Saturday 31st, the first day of the two-day show. Most reports suggest that the Sea Vixen incident was on the same day, with the result that it couldn't display on the Sunday. |
The Vixen incident was caused by the loss of a panel in the Stbd upper wing boom used to store tools, in this case the tools fell out after the panel departed the aircraft along with a roll of Kimwipe which fluttered to the ground gently unwinding! A relacement panel was robbed from a Vixen at Bruntingthorpe to enable the aircraft to fly back to Bournemouth . The Ryan incident occured right in front of us as we taxied in at the end of displaying the Canberra, not what you like to see at a display.
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Originally Posted by scorpion63
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The Vixen incident was caused by the loss of a panel in the Stbd upper wing boom used to store tools, in this case the tools fell out after the panel departed the aircraft along with a roll of Kimwipe which fluttered to the ground gently unwinding! A relacement panel was robbed from a Vixen at Bruntingthorpe to enable the aircraft to fly back to Bournemouth.
The fact that a replacement was sourced from another aircraft and fitted, albeit temporarily, would strongly suggest that it was something designed to open. Just not in flight. :O |
Originally Posted by Coltishall. loved it
(Post 11105350)
Ok, let me re phrase my question: over how many years have these things been dumped into the oggin and by what air arms?
Whatever the amount it does rather pale in to insignificance when one thinks of the amount of allied shipping down there. I wonder if they’ll ever find the snowcat dumped in Grytviken Harbour from 2000’ ? |
Originally Posted by Globocnik
(Post 11105679)
Whatever the amount it does rather pale in to insignificance when one thinks of the amount of allied shipping down there.
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Come to that, many aircraft have gone over the side of carriers across the years - some unintentionally but also a fair few with the help of a push:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4b79b335a4.jpg |
Makes a grown man want to cry Dave, all for the making of a safety film.
Post WWII I wonder at the numbers of brand new aircraft with only factory test flight hours on the clock taken out to sea and dumped, not to mention all the others ex combat use. |
Originally Posted by megan
(Post 11105893)
Makes a grown man want to cry Dave, all for the making of a safety film.
Deficiences in the Buccaneer S.1's Gyron Junior engines led to the type's career coming to an abrupt end in December 1970.[12] On 1 December, an S.1 attempted to overshoot from a misjudged landing approach but one engine surged and produced no thrust, forcing the two crewmen to eject. On 8 December, an S.1 on a training flight suffered a massive uncontained engine failure. The pilot successfully ejected, but due to a mechanical failure in his ejection seat the navigator was killed. Subsequent inspections concluded that the Gyron Junior engine was no longer safe to fly. All remaining S.1s were grounded immediately and permanently. The photo above was taken on April 14, 1974. |
DaveReidUK
There are in fact four hinged hatches on the inboard side of each boom. I only recall spare cracker boxes and the canopy cover being put in two of them. |
Originally Posted by nonsense
(Post 11106151)
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Deficiences in the Buccaneer S.1's Gyron Junior engines led to the type's career coming to an abrupt end in December 1970.[12] On 1 December, an S.1 attempted to overshoot from a misjudged landing approach but one engine surged and produced no thrust, forcing the two crewmen to eject. On 8 December, an S.1 on a training flight suffered a massive uncontained engine failure. The pilot successfully ejected, but due to a mechanical failure in his ejection seat the navigator was killed. Subsequent inspections concluded that the Gyron Junior engine was no longer safe to fly. All remaining S.1s were grounded immediately and permanently. The photo above was taken on April 14, 1974. Jack |
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