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chevvron 28th Aug 2023 14:48


Originally Posted by MAC 40612 (Post 11492904)
With regard to all the smoke on start up, I would suggest that is completely normal for any jet turbine that has been been out of service for a period as an inhibitor is used to keep the engine serviceable and when first started, that is always the effect. We had the same clouds of smoke on start up on both Boeing 747-400s and Boeing 777 after an engine change on the first ground run.

V 22 Ospreys also do it on every start probably because of the angle of the engines when parked.

Asturias56 28th Aug 2023 17:25

Worst I ever saw was a BA Tristar at LHR - covered the whole of Terminal 1 with a thick black cloud one evening on start-up

Mr Mac 28th Aug 2023 19:38

I occasionally test building facades with the help of a Rolls Royce Griffon at Vinci testing facility in Leighton Buzzard. Great sound, it used to be at Taywood Engineering. Another test facility in Telford called UL Solutions formally Wintech has a DC6 Double Wasp for same purpose a different sound but equally pleasant. Both are very smoky when starting and shed quite a bit of oil.

Cheers
Mr Mac

DaveReidUK 28th Aug 2023 21:12


Originally Posted by MAC 40612 (Post 11492898)
Did you ever cross paths with 'Throttles Norton' in Engineering? So called as back in the day ground engineers were allowed to taxi the aircraft and he [allegedly] regularly brought the Vanguards back to the engineering base from the cargo area, without the use of a ground tug...hence his nickname

He sounds a real character but, alas no, I never encountered him.

WHBM 28th Aug 2023 23:13


Originally Posted by Mr Mac (Post 11493094)
I occasionally test building facades with the help of a Rolls Royce Griffon at Vinci testing facility in Leighton Buzzard. Great sound, it used to be at Taywood Engineering. Another test facility in Telford called UL Solutions formally Wintech has a DC6 Double Wasp for same purpose a different sound but equally pleasant. Both are very smoky when starting and shed quite a bit of oil.

These wouldn't by chance be the two engines, in wheeled stands and with simple props, which were displayed running, side-by-side, at Flying Legends at Duxford some years ago ? They were certainly a big Rolls-Royce in-line and a big Pratt radial.

chevvron 29th Aug 2023 00:06


Originally Posted by MAC 40612 (Post 11492898)
Did you ever cross paths with 'Throttles Norton' in Engineering? So called as back in the day ground engineers were allowed to taxi the aircraft and he [allegedly] regularly brought the Vanguards back to the engineering base from the cargo area, without the use of a ground tug...hence his nickname

I know BA engineers were allowed to taxy aircraft at Glasgow back in the '70s; I 'talked' to several of them from the tower when they were doing engine runs in the early hours of the morning going to/from the stand to the attenuators and back; that was with Tridents.

DHfan 29th Aug 2023 09:57


Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 11493197)
These wouldn't by chance be the two engines, in wheeled stands and with simple props, which were displayed running, side-by-side, at Flying Legends at Duxford some years ago ? They were certainly a big Rolls-Royce in-line and a big Pratt radial.

If it's the two I saw, no.
IIRC it's a chap from Cumbria(?) who's got several running aero-engines. From memory he's got a Merlin, a Griffon, a Hercules and I believe a Welland.
He used to post as MerlinPete on the FlyPast forum before the destruction.

Mr Mac 29th Aug 2023 14:37


Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 11493197)
These wouldn't by chance be the two engines, in wheeled stands and with simple props, which were displayed running, side-by-side, at Flying Legends at Duxford some years ago ? They were certainly a big Rolls-Royce in-line and a big Pratt radial.

WHBM
I am pretty sure they have never been off the sites of the test rigs apart from the Griffon moving from Uxbridge to Leighton Buzzard. I first tested at Uxbridge with the Griffon in 1987 and it had been there a few years then already.

They are on wheeled stands and are positioned in front of the facades to be tested and there is a a gantry with spray bars in front of the engine to simulate rain fall. The rear of the facade is boxed in a depressurised to try and force a leak in the facade which you monitor from inside the test rig.

Always fun to hear them crank up especially the Griffon.

Cheers
Mr Mac


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